Joe Williams grew up in the NSW country town of Cowra, lived for Saturday morning sport and dreamed of becoming a footy player. And he did - he went on to play in the NRL and then later became a world champion boxer. But through the progression of his life and his career, he realised that sport was really just the conversation starter.

Oh how I loved this chat. Joe is incredibly generous and doesn't shy away from his ongoing personal work with addiction (Joe has been sober for 18 years) and mental health. He also talks beautifully about aboriginal culture and how his understanding of what that means has evolved and deepened over time.

You can follow Joe @joewilliams_tew and check out more on his website https://www.joewilliams.com.au/.

And you can listen to Joe's incredible conversation with Maggie Dent here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/joe-williams-after-five-kids-ive-finally-learnt-what/id1709222141?i=1000645209435

Hosts: Libby Trickett

Instagram: @beingsportish

Website: www.sportish.com.au

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