Ajax - Spreading Experience - Noise of the Broke Boys Episode 014

Ajax, a Sacramento Bboy Pioneer discusses his thoughts on the hip hop scene and the dynamics of crew interaction.

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in this episode I talk with a b-boy I've

looked up to since I was a kid

this guy has tremendous insight into the

art of breaking and a decorated history

in the game not only is he knowledgeable

down-to-earth and extremely skilled he's

a genuine and humble guy that's not

afraid to tell it like it is I have a

massive respect for this man

so please enjoy the episode with the one

and only Ajax hello everybody welcome to

this broke-ass show today I have a very

great guest with me we are on location

at elite studio of dance in Elk Grove

right now and I have my friend Ajax he's

a b-boy he's a teacher he's a student a

father a friend a golfer of fish cam bro

you put in all my info out there 49ers

fan a Kings fan and a Sacramento hip-hop

og diehard Niners fan yep since I was

shit man I think the first Super Bowl I

watched I think it was like in 1989 oh

shit I was like eight years old or

something like that so so you were

trying to see see them win some games

been a Niners fan ever since so can't

call me a bandwagon er

can't call me none of that shit diehard

Niner fam and I'll 89 I was two years

old all I was trying to do is not poop

my pants playing outside fucking yeah

drinking out the water hose yeah

drinking out of the water hose in like I

don't know probably doing some wild shit

that I shouldn't be doing that's that 80

swagger and your parents are like where

the kid fucking be home before dark and

shit yeah

damn dude so you've been like in the

hip-hop scene for a minute right what

like what got you into it so kind of

like any other kid like I remember back

when I was probably I don't know five

six seven years old around that age

we'd have like family parties or

whatever and you know we'd be dancing

whatever whatever dance was popular

we'd be dancing and then you know just I

mean I guess breaking but not really

knowing what you're doing because I mean

of course in the 80s like people were

breaking but it was mostly like I think

it was more of an East Coast thing like

I don't think there is really

necessarily a lot of kids or people in

general in California you know breaking

or whatever so I think mostly was just

like dancing you know I like family

parties get together shit like that and

then as far as like actually like

getting into like hip hop I thought

somebody from the studio as far as

getting into hip hop I think that

started like in junior high okay shit

like 90-94 ish okay

so that's kind of when I got into like

hip hop and it was mostly just music at

first okay I think my first like couple

hip hop albums that I got I think one of

them was del the funky homosapien no

need for alarm yeah you know that that

and it was crazy too because they used

to sin like those things in the mail

where you can like order like ten tapes

or everything I think you like pay

something yeah yeah you know I mean I do

remember that yeah cuz my mom would

always get some stuff but she'd have

some like freaking Celine Dion or

whatever yeah so like I used to get

those things and then I'd order like a

bunch of tapes or whatever and this was

I think this was like right beef no I

think CDs were around but I mean people

were still rockin like cassette tapes or

whatever yeah so I I ordered no need for

alarm I can't remember what else I think

it was like I might have been like doggy

style or something like that so anyways

yeah I ordered like a bunch of tapes

from that thing

and then I remember like um my mom like

heard me listen to him she what the hell

are ya like hello cousin should yeah

yeah yeah and then and then also like my

uncle just school used to have like

hella cassette tapes like growing up so

I used to like dip into his cassettes

and like kind of listen to what was what

back then mmm this was like early like

like 90s or whatever whatever so that's

kind of how I how I got into like

hip-hop music it was yeah from my uncle

just like dipping in his tapes and then

like I said ordering tapes from that

stupid mail order thing or whatever and

then out would be one that came later I

remember I think I was in like 7th or

8th grade and we had like a height or

our junior high like pep rally or

something like that yeah and then they

had a performance from souls crew okay

like some b-boys and that was like the

first time like since the 80s that I saw

like breakdancing again I was like oh

shit like these fools you know they're

break-in doing head it was mostly like

power moves yeah but it was you know

obviously you're impressed or you're in

junior high and like some older cats

come in and start breaking so you're

like oh shit I gotta learn how to do

that you know yeah yeah so but you saw

it before that pep rally like on TV or

something yeah yeah I mean like a movie

or whatever back in the eighties like

you know be street breaking all that so

I mean it was there but I mean like shit

man like it didn't like capture your

attention until like you saw it in

person yeah yeah it's kind of like cuz

like I said like back then like I don't

remember like their nests I mean people

were popping maybe me like popping sure

like that so I think that was that but

as far as like like breaking like I

don't really I can't remember anybody

that I knew at least I was breaking you

know and then yeah that pep rally

it was souls crew and I was like aw dude

I gotta learn how to break and so like

you went straight into breaking

were you like trying to do like power

moves and stuff or like what was it that

captured your attention and well

actually I started off popping so let me

rewind okay so I started off popping

just because I thought that was like I

thought that was like the the dopest

part like talking yeah and then I pop

for awhile

you said battlecast I like the skating

ring and stuff like that oh yeah yeah

yeah

King skate gave out over that place but

yeah I started off popping and then yeah

eventually just started we should call

it style so doing style okay and that's

basically you know footwork top rocks or

whatever like that it was me and then

just a couple of cats I went to junior

high school with we'd go to school and

then get out of school go home and then

move all the furniture from my buddy's

living room and practice in there yeah

like we didn't know what the fuck we

were doing you know what I mean we're

fucking we even know the names of the

moves yeah yeah and then eventually like

we'd listen oh that's called a flare

it's called a windmill or whatever you

know I mean could someone actually flare

before they knew the name of it um the

guys I was practicing with I don't think

none and then like learn how to flare

anything okay I was the only one that

learned how to flare and it took hella

long like it took so long and then I

remember always doing I'm wrong for

awhile and then you know just watching

people or whatever like that and then I

mean a couple people would help you out

but realistically back then like people

weren't really trying to help you unless

you were you know down with them or

whatever

they always got some shit going on yeah

so okay so then so that was like eighth

grade you started

dan it's really getting into like the

hip-hop dancing and then and then

started breaking when was the first time

well two questions did you already have

the name Ajax at that point and second

did you was that when you got in a crew

or when when did that happen

no no we didn't even like back then like

we didn't even know what it like a b-boy

name was or no you know I'm saying so I

didn't come until like later later later

on and like that should just came just

you know naturally someone says like

yeah yeah so I don't want to get too

detailed with it but I had another

nickname that people were calling me and

they said call me swamp so I mean if you

guys smoke weed and like you know what a

swamp is so people used to call me that

for a while and like it was whatever and

then yeah we're just I don't know we're

somewhere like I think it was like

sophomore or high school or something

like that and we're just breaking

whatever whatever and then my friend

Nick just started calling me ajax ajax

mat clean you know and he was like

trying to rap back then so he'd always

like incorporate like our names or

whatever into his little freestyle

ability huh why did he choose that name

so i know i don't know i was guessing

maybe cuz your name is Anthony and he's

exactly something and he's like cleaning

his floor what I think I was pretty much

it and then he'd be like oh you know

something something like he don't in

select a free saw or whatever like that

and it just stuck like I was never like

you know call me like that I always

thought that shit was whack when you're

like I'm a b-boy windmill you better

call me b-boy when my boys come over

with some corny ass name before

intricate something you know you're like

whatever bro names Tom or whatever cuz

like my name Kurt the hurt I always

thought that was like a stupid-ass name

and you remember frack will yeah yeah

yeah yeah that full started calling me

that because we were all into like

wrestling it's

and so he was like oh yeah if you were

wrestler you'd be this and shit and I'm

like oh that's kind of tight but I'm not

a wrestler yeah I always felt like

you're b-boy name like somebody was

supposed to like give it to you yeah I'm

saying rather than like rather than like

you come up with it is corny yeah

they're not incredible yeah I mean cuz

realistically like a nickname like even

like family nicknames you know yeah

people have family nicknames and it's

like normally given to you by a family

member and they call you you know oh

yeah you know junebug or whatever the

fuck yeah your nickname is and that's

like a family and it sticks with you

yeah but I mean that's how Ajax came oh

there's the owners to the studio she's

she's cool okay well yeah I just she

just came in like it stuck you know and

then even now it's like for the most

part like depending on what the

circumstance is like I'll introduce

myself as Ajax yeah obviously not like

on a job interview or something like

yeah you know like if I'm somewhere and

somebody's like oh yeah this is Anthony

I'm like oh you know my friends call me

Ajax yeah that's what I'd rather go by

yeah I feel like everyone was like

goofing on me to like get everyone to

call me Kurt the hurt and then everybody

started calling me that and I still

don't introduce myself as that but I

mean it's stuck I mean like it grew on

me for sure yes so I'm like okay and

then especially if you're you're

answering a jam you might you know yeah

something that kind of stands out you

know Kurt to hurt was insanity of

insanity and actually dope I think it's

dope man I forget who gave him that name

it was whatever but I think it was like

back when Vince Carter was like sanity

I'm wrong one of those fucking Vince

sanity Nikes

Vince Carter I never got him dang is

that full still in the NB bro he's still

playing dude I think he's a bit I don't

know how old is he 50 something he's

probably doing something

you know he's probably like close to

that's kind that's crazy

yeah I'm damn near 40 so he has to be

like you know I mean yet to be yeah

competing at like a level that he's at

NBA dude like you through and stuff and

you're like oh that's crazy yeah I think

he's been in the league for like 20

years bro I know he's got to be the

oldest oh yeah that's crazy

he never won a title I think right no no

and then last year Toronto just got

there that's probably salty like I was

trying to get that yeah I for still

Dunkin though yeah yeah he's crazy

that's crazy I know yeah he was with he

was with the Kings and he was like

dunking on fools yeah and I was like

dang this old-ass dude I don't know

where he's at now

Kings man actually I can't even really

speak on Kings cuz I'm kinda employed by

them still dude I like man the Kings

frustrate me a little bit cuz it's like

I was hyped this season and then they

were like running at like no 9th in the

West or whatever it is like oh dude

they're gonna be they're gonna make

playoffs this year now they're like yeah

tank down so I'm like come on man I'll

just say this they they Malouf to us

again yeah it feels like that yeah I

because you were you're on the squad win

remember when they were like no hatin on

there and it kind of did the same thing

this all for real I mean it is what it

is like you know it's it's it's cool

doing that stuff but then at the same

time it's like yeah it's a job yeah and

I mean yeah you got it like just treat

it as a job and literally they literally

want you there like all day it's like

yeah yeah you know cuz I did games for

the Kings and then I also did games for

the Warriors and it's similar how they

kind of run they run those teams

similarly but then they're very

different from each other because like

it felt like with the Kings fresh

out to him he uh he would like kind of

let us kind of do what we wanted to

exactly and then with the Warriors they

they kind of like they're like we like

this do that yeah so we always had to

like you know do some head spins or

whatever when I come on here I'm sick of

this shit but I mean the shows that you

guys were doing they looked dope like

you know like from a fan's perspective

like yeah you know I think fans enjoyed

it and stuff and and I think it was fun

to do them and stuff but I know a lot of

us are like oh we want to do some other

stuff like we wanted to add in some

things that maybe didn't wouldn't go so

well over you like we wanted to make it

more of a b-boy show or we we even

wanted to add some popping in a little

bit and we're like I don't know if

that's gonna like translate to the you

know to that stage cuz right you got a

like you got to think about the person

that's in there like nosebleed section

trying to see you and it's like

someone's there doing like a wave or

whatever and they're like standing there

you you got to have some like spinning

crap so that they they can see it which

so I understand that and I think you

know I think we did what we needed to do

to like do that and they're still out

there doing that to b-boy precise he's

he's like running he's the like main guy

yeah he's the main guy he's like he's

kind of like I don't know or whatever

yeah yeah I remember um they had a

battle the first time they were um like

basically auditioning people for the

Warriors thing they did a battle and

when I was in rock force shad also raw

force yeah so it was like I think it was

me

machine Jonny and Kareem we ended up

winning like the competition okay and

like we were like one of the first I

don't know if they they had another team

prior to us but we were like one of the

first ones back then to like break for

the Warriors oops okay

yeah I remember I think I remember that

because I remember I think I remember

rich was doing some games

it might have been after you did it but

like like some renegades dudes were

there yeah I was gonna say I don't mean

cut off renegades but it was us and

renegades okay we ended up winning

okay actual battle but renegades was

part as part of this squad as well okay

so and and I think they might have

picked I think rich might have been in

there cuz I think they might have needed

like a certain amount of guys on the

squad or something like that yeah so it

was like rock force renegades and then

there could have been some other cats in

there as well it was around I don't

remember the year but it was definitely

one like the Warriors were really bad

the team was trashed but yeah but and I

remember like finesse was there from

renegades I think I think Iron Monkey

was on there as well milestone was there

and yeah I think Iron Monkey was there

yeah I remember there's a whole bunch of

people all these Bay Area like heavy

hitters were like out there doing these

this show for like a team that was

really bad

ya know it was crazy too because we only

did like I don't know a couple games a

month or whatever like that yeah and so

we would commute out there me and cream

from sack and it's kind of like I mean

it was worth it because the pay was

decent yeah yeah and you know back then

just to kind of get some exposure or

whatnot like that it was cool I always

looked at it like man I just like

braking and performing and stuff and so

if someone's gonna pay me for a dope

yeah straight up I mean that's probably

not the greatest way to think about it

in terms of like business but it's I

don't know I was looking at it as a

blessing to get paid while you're you

know having fun really sorry my freakin

jobs texting me from like bro off today

is like because the scene from when you

started to now has changed drastically

in like what what is your opinion about

it and like what do you think is good

what do you think is bad and like and I

guess like where do you see it going

from here

and so like when we first started like

like it wasn't even like jams well they

were jams but they weren't competitions

like there was never like you'd go to

somewhere and like there'd be a

competition for five hundred dollars or

whatever you know what I mean it was

just a jam you go there cypher and

battle like it was never like you know

come when you get hurt and you know I

mean yeah it wasn't that it was just

like it was normally like a hip-hop show

were like some MC or whoever was

performing k RS one or whoever was you

know I mean yeah yeah at Sac State or

whatever and like everyone would go

there break battle and like that was it

it was never like a competition some

organized thing yeah

yeah and then like the competitions came

which was cool because it brought people

from different areas like I remember

roxrite would always be out here soul

control like Charles and all those guys

okay

they'd all be out here gee-whiz and

stunts used to come out here all the

time

I saw she was the other day actually oh

yeah yeah yeah so shadocg was I guys man

those guys have always been solid like

from the beginning like they've never

like changed or anything like that but

yeah it was just like you go to a

building whatever it was and like you

just battle Seifer you know I mean and

like that was kind of it now music it's

playing and it happens we're breaking

full yeah it's not but now it's like I

mean I guess the competition part of it

it took over I think yeah I mean cuz

it's not now it's not just like a dance

party it's really good if we're if we

were throwing to jam today right now

here and was like yo it's 5 bucks to get

in or even free me to get in

just open cyphers live DJ people

probably wouldn't come you know yeah and

cuz they'd be like yeah is there money

like are you doing a cypher prize you

know I mean like yeah people always

nowadays

I don't even think is necessarily about

the money I think people I mean don't

get me wrong like people like a extra

five hundred bucks or whatever it is in

their pocket but I think it's more

people just want to win something and

say they won and like go home and post

something on IG or face or whatever yeah

and you can fucking win $25 and people

were still good no I just want us cipher

or whatever just wanna brag about some

shit which is dope I guess I was ashamed

of myself like people just want to say

they won something or not even one like

attended something I went to a jam in

you know whatever city you know went to

a jam in you know just got back from UK

or whatever it is like people just want

to talk about that shit yeah so I feel

like that's like a big part of the

competition and footage yeah everybody

wants to enter the jam for the footage

and like even profile says oh we don't

footage you know if we go into this gym

or jam or it'll be a good look you know

just to show people and I think a lot of

people just want that and then get the

footage and then post the footage on

their YouTube or IG there's a lot of

promo like yeah nowadays yeah actually

faman breaking is closely tied to like

social media promotion bro like I said

people don't even necessarily even care

about winning like course everybody

wants to win anyone and get a couple

bucks in your pocket to go blow on

whatever you know I'm saying but I think

it's more like people want that content

mm-hmm you know I'm saying they want to

say they went somewhere you know and

they just wanna you know I'm just

basically brag about the shit yeah yeah

yeah yeah social media I mean I think

that's where the scenes and I don't even

necessarily think is breaking but I

think it's just life in general and you

know I think I mean with the competition

scene there is a jam for everybody you

know I'm saying like if you want to do

you know the Red Bull BC One big jam

like on some stage they got that

if you want to do like a smaller not

even smaller but like if you want to do

like a cipher addicts type Jam hmm you

know they have a competition there now

so and but it's more small its intimate

if you want to do that type of thing

they used to have circle kings I don't

think they do that anymore but they used

to have that word was like you know the

raw b-boys were there you know I'm

saying like now they have like a crash

battle or whatever we're like you just

do a big movie call a crash bandicoot or

something like that I think I think they

do that IIb or something yeah I did a

free sausage section so it's somewhere

but I was like oh this is kind of crazy

like just people just throwing the

craziest thing it doesn't matter if they

crash trying to hit like double air

flare one or whatever yeah yeah see who

could hit but there is a jam for

everybody if you want to do but I was

saying about like what was it circle

kings or whatever that was like for the

b-boys like skill methods and those type

of crews were were there was someone

that profound and love radical for

article fours

yeah I want to go to that it looks like

it's fun yeah I mostly want to go

because it's like this beach party thing

it looks kind of fun yes awesome saying

there's an it's a party atmosphere and

like I think that's another jam or like

you know the real raw b-boys go you know

a lot of the guys you know go there so

there's a jam for everybody and then you

know there's small local jams

you know there's fucking stage you know

you can go sit and then in an auditorium

in some seats and just watch it you know

there's you know there's something for

every part jams mm-hmm you know I'm

saying so there's a jam for everybody

there's a competition for everybody

there's money to go around for people

that you know do it for that okay I

don't think necessarily y know you can't

you can't make a living off being a

battle b-boy or competition b-boy unless

you got like a sponsorship or something

and like I know a couple cats that are

you know making some pretty good money

from like monster and shit like that

yeah yeah you know I'm saying which is

dope I think that's dope too it's not

probably not necessarily for me like at

that at this stage in my life you know

I'm saying I mean I don't know do you

think it's good for the scene that that

that there's opportunities to get

sponsored and like it's come becoming

like a I don't know kind of like an

actual sport almost you know I just the

thing is with me and with like the

sponsorship I wish it was like more like

I wish there was more you know I'm

saying cuz I feel like it's just like

monster and like Red Bull you know like

some Preparation H b-boys or whatever

like bro

like there's so many companies out there

that b-boys like represent and like

we're not getting anything like okay for

example like skateboarding yeah yeah

like skateboarders are getting right it

out in a competition like they're making

like I think they did I think skateboard

the skateboarding scene did a lot of

work to get to winner because it's like

in a way they really started out like

b-boys they were just some freakin hood

rat dudes just with a board with wheels

on it and they were like let's do a

kickflip or you know let's just flip the

board and try to land on it and then

okay let's call it kickflip you know and

then eventually they're building crazy

ramps and stuff and then somebody sees

it they're like some sums you like

borrowed their mom's camera and we're

like you know let's go film you like

yeah in the parking lot somewhere just

shredding you know yeah and and I think

breaking is at the point where

skateboarding was was that probably

probably in the 80s or whatever when

when there started to be like some

really good skaters and like the vert

skating started becoming a little more

popular and then like bigger

competitions started coming around and

then they were like a you know there's

something soon there's gonna be

something called the x-games and we got

to get ready for that kind of like how

breaking you know the Olympics is coming

for a break

kind of like you know so they were

getting their act together to uh I guess

have something to actually compete about

yeah because before that you know how do

you even compete in skateboarding it's

you just you know fools

jumping over stuff yeah right and you're

just like what you you're scoring then

like oh that was a five that was it yeah

and it's like how do you even score that

but they figured that out and you know

then that's where like braking is

struggling it with that braking is

struggling at that because I mean it's

largely like an art form and I know

people don't want to like they want to

keep it true to it being an art form and

they're not like but but as soon as you

as soon as you involve money it gets all

better you know yeah everything's out

the window yes

you know there's money to to make lose

whatever so it's like yeah you know and

like I was saying with the sponsorships

like I feel like there should be more

out there like yeah you know I think it

will come just like it came with

skateboarding assuming we all do it

right and enter into the competitive

space at least in the public's eye

correctly but yeah I think if we compare

it to skateboarding it's kind of like

you know who used to sponsor skaters

back then it was like Jamba Juice and

freaking vans yeah that was it and then

you know it started getting popular and

stuff and then X Games came around and

then now it's like if you're any kind of

like active or anywhere like drinking

Mountain Dew sponsor skaters because

it's just like such a big thing it's a

huge market this videos there's freaking

video games there's like you know

commercial I mean there's so much stuff

you know there's legit celebrities that

are skaters you know freaking Tony Hawk

yeah oh yeah I just feel like there

should be more like I mean whatever

company Red Bull Monster whoever like if

you're gonna sponsor like you know one

of you know individuals like why not

just I mean you're a multi-billion

dollar corporation like if you really

want to be down with like the scene like

yeah you know I mean why not like spread

that out throughout the whole scene yeah

I mean not saying every jam but I mean I

think well I think they probably look at

it I mean they do look at it from a

business perspective and they go like

well when we put money into it we need

to see a return from these people buying

our products or whoever buying our

product and so I think they look at

breaking in there like it's a largely a

small community of people in it and so

we were basically marketing to them yeah

but I think breaking in the next like

five years is approaching a place where

it's not just a small community anymore

kind of like how mixed martial arts like

grew from like this people that people

that were just into like people fighting

in cages and yeah and now it's like this

huge freaking sport UFC all over the

place yeah and you got like casual fans

in a way you know right so I think once

breaking gets to the point where there's

like casual fans and it appeals to them

dude they're gonna be like yo there's

money to be made here because we can

market to those it's funny that you said

the Olympics so always listening to like

sports talk radio the other morning yeah

and I forget what show it was but one of

the guys was like oh yeah they did a

poll about like the Olympics or whatever

and I guess they asked like X amount of

people if they thought breaking should

be in the Olympics it was like 50

something percent of the people said no

a shitty so I mean basically that's

telling telling me that like the regular

American or regular person doesn't

necessarily give a fuck about breaking

yeah you know I'm saying and or they

might not even know what it what's it

all about

- it could be but yeah like they don't

give a fuck and basically us breakers

kind of need to just get over ourselves

really

yeah for sure cuz I mean you see every

day on the not every day but every

couple of weeks somebody will like oh

you know the Olympics

like yeah like in the grands like schema

thing like people like you're just a kid

fucking spinning on your head somewhere

you don't mean like that's what the

average you know American or whoever

that's kind of how they see it you know

in like you we got people on a worldwide

level bickering over you know whether or

not the breaking should be in the

Olympics

yeah and realistically I don't think

people really give a fuck you know yeah

yeah no III agree I think I think

probably most people half the people who

hear oh do you want breaking in the

Olympics a'ight what the hell is

breaking apart is and other people are

like oh that shit that doesn't exist

anymore like it died out in the 80s or

whatever and then so I don't know what

the way I look at it is like there's an

opportunity that we can all seize but if

we if we just let it kind of roll by us

most people aren't gonna care it's gonna

it's gonna roll past us you know the

Olympics are gonna come breakers are

gonna be in it

nobody's gonna watch it and then it's

gone so but it's a good opportunity to

do feel like that what's what's up yeah

it'll be like that category that's on

like at two o'clock in the morning or

something like that yeah shuffleboard or

whatever and breaking I think that's

probably what's gonna happen original

initially yeah and if it doesn't spark

up any attention it's gonna stay there

and it probably won't come back for the

next Olympics but I think if the

community like seizes the opportunity in

the right way maybe you can get some

attention from that and then get get

more people because like I said you need

to get some casual fans yeah there

because you know otherwise it's not

really a sport it's just like this hobby

that a lot of people you know I mean not

even a lot of people but people are just

like into and it's just a very nice

thing to be into so I think I think it's

a cool opportunity I don't want to hate

on it because I I think it's it's

something new and it could help build

the scene it but it could also help tear

apart the scene but it's all about how

we all approach it yeah I mean I think

yeah with the with the b-boy scene not

even beat like hip-hop scene in general

I think there's like so much infighting

yeah in every in every element there's

something you know some you know DJs

it's like somebody's bickering about

something oh yeah you know I'm saying

even with breaking like right now like

the hot topic now is you know who

created what and win oh yeah you know

and it's like realistically bro like

when it comes to history of anything

like there's always two you know two

sides you know yeah this started here

this happened here and then somebody's

like no this is what happened or this is

what happened or no and breaking is so

young I think everybody forgets that

breaking is so young still that yeah

like right I mean right it's maybe 50

years old whereas you look at something

like ballet is freaking mm-hmm I don't

know how long old but thousands of years

old or some shit right yeah I mean it's

old

so dude we're in the beginning stages a

hundred years from now if people are

still breaking they're gonna they're

gonna they're gonna look at my era your

era Crazylegs era as the same era

because it's seriously like only a few

years apart in in retrospect yes I mean

like you said it's like we can't even we

can't even come up with what am I trying

to say like we can't even agree on terms

of like moves yeah I mean like in

skateboarding like a kickflip is a kick

flip yeah you know I'm saying like

that's what it is like in breaking you

know flair Thomas flair you know I mean

it's like yeah yeah what is it Thomas

flavor flair or you know halos track you

know I mean like what's the name of the

move like we can't really do we can't

even agree on