Super Producer Cimcie joins John & Liu Yan for a wide ranging, off the wall, upside down and right-side up conversation that runs the gamut from the placebo effect to how each of us eventually turn into our parents to John's time in prison (as a speaker, not inmate) and finally the wave of admirers who have flocked to "Ling" an AI image that has over 130,000 followers on Weibo, to which John attempts to make a parallel to blow-up dolls, and the man who has a dozen different vinyl gals at his beck and call.
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