Working for yourself is difficult. Working from home is difficult. Finally starting that big idea is difficult. Brad and LL discuss creating workday boundaries, giving yourself permission to be off, and using the Pomodoro Method for increased productivity.
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In this episode you will learn about:
- How to switch off from "business thinking" after hours
- Setting boundaries in your work day
- Give yourself permission to be off
- The importance of bridging to create change
- The steps of the Pomodoro Method
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Lesley Logan
Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.
Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the evolving convo I have with Lindy Nowak in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to interview, feel free to pause this now, go back and listen to that one and then come back and join us. And by the way, last time Brad and I did a recap. We realized that we actually kind of like introduce ourselves, or at least I'm only introduced at the very end. (Brad: Oh, yeah.) So hello, I'm Lesley Logan.
Brad Crowell
And I'm Brad Crowell.
Lesley Logan
And I don't really know how we changed that intro, but um, we'll think about it. (Brad: We will.) We'll consider it.
Brad Crowell
It'll be and welcome back to the episode. And I'm Brad and I'm sitting across my lovely, Lesley Logan. (Lesley: That's right ...) It maybe will be like that. (Lesley: I don't know.) Y'all can vote. You just tell ... tell us if I should introduce us or if she should introduce ...
Lesley Logan
Hey, it's my kind, it's kind of like ... We'll think about it. Well, it's it's the thought that counts. (Lesley laughs) Alright. (Brad: Thanks, babe.) So as you are listening to this, we are in Cambodia. We are at our house in Siem Reap Cambodia and hopefully on a water village tour. So we are totally recording this early but we're going to act like as we're happening now.
Brad Crowell
Happening right now, this second.
Lesley Logan
So we're just really super excited for to be in Cambodia, to be honest, like I'm jonesing for this and I have not had to actually make sure that my clothes fit in a check on on like on our carry on only bag in two and a half years. So, it's so also gonna be interesting (Brad: It's been since March 2020) Yeah. I've been ... (Brad: for you) because we'd been road tripping. So I'm like, load up the van. (Brad: Yeah.) But ...
Brad Crowell
She's like, "I'll just put all my shoes in this other bag." (Lesley: I'm gonna take ...) That's a massive bag.
Lesley Logan
Yeah, but I need all the tennis shoes because I can have them. It's gonna be fine. It's like an old hat. I'll figure it out. It'll feel really good. But if you are like, "I missed this one." You did. You totally missed this retreat. And so you should sign up for the waitlist because we will come one time next year on a retreat. And Brad is looking at that link.
Brad Crowell
It's actually lesleylogan.co/retreats.
Lesley Logan
Perfect. So I'm really, really excited about that. And I actually am still kind of coming off of the excitement of our in person business retreat. I just wanted to say a big shout out to some people. Thank you Mai for being an amazing speaker. Thank you Girl Squad for being an amazing photographer. Thank you to the Intelligent Change people who did this five minute journal, because you gave all of our retreaters, a five minute journal. Yeah, they did ... (Brad: Big shout out) big shout out. Also to Bronze Cafe for keeping us full with your amazing, amazing, amazing food, to Main Street Provision. I feel like I'm accepting an award but really I'm keeping (Brad laughs) that one. Saying all these thank yous and I just wanted to say that because we didn't have a chance before the retreat to actually do that, since we didn't have all of the goodness in our hands to shout out to those people. So big, big, big thank you. You did miss out on all the Profitable Pilates retreats if you were not at the two that we had this year. And (Brad: Ang guess what?) we're not having one in 2023 (Brad: True.) We're like making that a firm decision, even though I frickin love it so much. (Brad: And it's so good.) And I may do a 2.0 situation with the people who already came, but it might still have to be in early 2024. And we're ...
Brad Crowell
And that was probably going to be invite only. (Lesley: It's going to be invite only. Yeah.) So you know, there's a there's an opportunity here to get on the waitlist. Here's the deal. Tell if you are interested in coming to Vegas to do a business retreat. You can tell us by getting on the waitlist for that profitablepilates.com/retreats. Plural. Okay, retreats, plural. That's how we'll know if you're interested in joining retreat with us here in Vegas. And right now we're looking at 2024. (Lesley: Yeah) So you know, it's gonna be a while but that's okay.
Lesley Logan
Yeah, it's I mean okay. And you know what, you can still coach with us? (Brad: Yeah. Totally.) A lot of it's happening live just not in our house over at Agency, which is profitablepilates.com/agency. (Brad: That's right.) Anyways, (Brad: I love it.) we had an audience question to respond to.
Brad Crowell
We totally did. It was a really great question. And I'm super glad we got this because this is actually something that Lesley and I struggled with, to be honest. (Lesley: Yeah.) How do you switch off from quote, unquote, "business thinking" is the main question and here's a little bit of background. I love being entrepreneurial and my approach to my business. I have my studio and office at home. And at times, I feel like I'm always working. I'm just always working. I'm juggling life at home, with my head occupied in my business most of the time. Does anybody else struggle with this? How do you shut off from your business in the evenings or during family time, or just on a lazy Sunday when your mind won't let you rest?
Lesley Logan
I mean, this is amazing. It's one of our listeners of one of our agents members, he asked us and so when I gave her tips, I think I list out eight different ideas. (Brad: Wow) And I wrote, yeah, I did. I'll share them with you after you go first. But I will ... I was like, I was like, thinking things. I was like, sometimes I have to literally leave the house like, go shopping. Like I have to get out. I have to get away from everything. And that is when I've had the most laziest Saturdays. It's been when we're not here. And we're just like, doing things that people do in normal life like ... So I'm like, (Brad: Yeah.) "Wow, look how lazy I'm been." (Lesley laughs)
Brad Crowell
Well, you've nailed it. Like, there's a couple, like the thing that I noticed, because I've been working from home. Since 2010, and on and off, but like it, that was the first time I ever did it. And the biggest struggle that I had was my, my apartment was small. So I only had one space, and that space was either, I'm working in there, but I'm also hanging out in there. I'm also eating in there. I'm also like, it was where I lived. So you know what ended up happening over time was, I was if I was in that space, my mind was in work mode. And so at night, I couldn't, I was always thinking about work. And when we moved years later, we moved to Vegas, the biggest thing for me was priority having an office, like have to have an office because it allowed me to dedicate a an environment like you were just talking about to when I'm in this room, I'm working, I'm intentionally working, this is not what I'm relaxing. I'm not watching TV in here, I'm not reading a book in here. This is me working. If I'm not in this room, meaning I go into the kitchen, maybe even for lunch, okay, I'm now at the kitchen table, I'm actually enjoying life, I'm watching a thing, or I'm listening to a pod, or I'm eating my lunch or whatever, and I'm not working. And so when you when you associate your work with a space, it will allow you to more easily quote unquote, "change hats." Right? No, you still have to be giving yourself permission. Okay, because ultimately, it's not like, you can't beat yourself up over this, like, "Oh, I'm thinking about work again." But really what it is, is giving yourself permission to, to not work. Okay. And that's the that's the thing, like as an entrepreneur, that's a really hard part.
Lesley Logan
That's really great permission to not work.
Brad Crowell
Yeah. (Lesley: Boom, right there.) Yeah. And I struggle with that, you know, like, we have a team, I feel obligated to make sure that the business is moving forward, we're always bringing in money, we can meet payroll, all those kinds of things. And when when I'm stressed, if I'm highly stressed, I, I really have a hard time not working. And my, my, my environment, it's even more important for me because, you know, I, it's unhealthy to just work, work, work, work work. And so it's really important to dedicate, focus and stress in one space. And then when I'm out of that, I have to like, actually go, "I'm just going to eat dinner now."
Lesley Logan
Yeah, so agreed. And it's, you know, it also is hard if you both of you are entrepreneur, so it ... (Brad: Yeah, that's were we struggle.) If you are the only one who's entrepreneurial in your household, that's like actually kind of nice, because you just need to have to sit down with your family and like have a code word like banana. So when you start to work, and it's not a quick note to yourself, because you had an idea, because you will have ideas like that's the hard part, you will have ideas around. Like you'll see a billboard and you'll be off this thing, you'll go to a farmers market, like, "Oh, I love this logo. Oh, I could do this and have an idea." So you can quickly voice memo yourself or send yourself an email or something like that. But then if you kept going, if you start to write a whole blog post around what your idea was, then they show to go whatever the code word has just like snap you back out of it. And that's okay. Like you have to also give yourself it's going to be okay, like you said, not get mad at yourself, if you do start to think about work. The other thing is, is that there are so many apps today, so many apps today that will actually turn things off that you can't have access to. So I would the book is Indistractable by Nir Eyal. And he had a ton a ton of like different services that are out there that can like lock up certain apps on your phone, on your computer. So at certain times, you can't use them. Something that we had my assistant do is come over and get on my phone and literally set up different types of DNDs. So there is an apple it's like the focus mode. Right. So I have the hard Do Not Disturb which somehow Brad still can get through which sometimes you hear on the podcasts. Sorry loves
Brad Crowell
I'm waking it ... if you're watching on YouTube.
Lesley Logan
He needs to go on a phone call, my tax ... it, I don't hear that. But I'm the, then we have I have a work one, which allows people on my team who have my phone number to get through to me, but no one else. And then there's like other ones you can have, right? So and those can actually be set to automations. So that you can actually, you don't think about it, the work one will come on at a certain time every day and at a certain time, to sleep on will come on a certain time and in a certain time. So like, you can actually have those in place. A couple other ideas, I actually have this few work apps on my phone as possible, I have to do social media for work. But those all those accounts are in one folder. And I don't have any red dots on any of them. So I'm not tempted to go check Facebook, on a non workday, I only check it when I'm working. (Brad: Yeah) So these are some other things you can do. And then and then I love that we can close the door to our office. I also love like closing my computer, there's certain things you can do this, if I'm no longer working, like maybe you need a sign like one of the girls on Agency that we coz she lived and worked in her same space is that she actually had an open and closed sign. So she flipped the sign open when she walked in because she's open for business. And then she would close it as like a physical thing. So it really is ...
Brad Crowell
I know you also have like on your actual calendar, end of workday. (Lesley: You did say that.) You literally input in the your workday around 4:30 or 5 o'clock, whatever. Yeah.
Lesley Logan
Yeah. I have that. I also have no like an app thing that comes up, no appointments. I have, all these things are in place to protect myself from myself.
Brad Crowell
Right. Totally. And also, like when we take our evening walks. We used to like chit chat about business, the whole walk. And what we realized is we never actually leave time for ourselves to just be together and walk and listen to a pod or just talk or whatever. But as soon as it starts to be a brainstorming session, we try to put a pin in it and be like, "Hey, let's talk about that tomorrow." Because otherwise, you know, we could talk about business until you know next day ...
Lesley Logan
Well also because not only do we have three businesses but also you coach 145 businesses. So it's like kind of easy to talk about business for anybody anytime but it's true I also bound leave my unless I'm walking the dogs alone. I leave my phone at the house. (Brad: Yeah.) And and that allows only your phone is with us and it's usually paying a podcast that we've decided we both want to listen to and we chitchat about the podcast. (Brad: Yeah.) That's it. So you know it takes practice. We're, it's not a perfect. I'm be real honest. We're not even close. But I do really think the some of it is like giving yourself permission to be off and also being kind to yourself when you're not. And then at whatever you can do to like almost create babysitting things or childproof locks for yourself until it becomes natural for you to just be off on your day off. Yeah, great question. You can send your questions into the @be_it_pod on Instagram. (Brad: Yes.) We love answering them, they can be about anything, they can be about business, they can be about life, dating, dogs. One of ours is snoring in the background. It's cool.
Brad Crowell
Okay, now let's talk about Lindy Nowak. Lindy is an entrepreneur that left the New York City career path to begin her own website agency. She knows that each small business deserves a great website that properly meets client's needs, needs and as the founder and leader of upinaday.co. Lindy works to encompass patience and confidence in her business and team.
Lesley Logan
I think she's so cool. I really, I really love her drive. I also loved she was so fucking vulnerable and authentic. (Brad: She was.) She was an open book about her struggles, her trials and everything and I love that because that's how we are and I it you cannot be it till you see it if you think that at all anyone is like slaying it overnight. No one is an overnight success. I promise you, I promise you. I dare you to show me someone who literally is an overnight success. What you're showing me is someone who finally got noticed after years of preparation, that meets opportunity period, (Brad: Yeah.) and so I just thought it was really cool.
Brad Crowell
Years. (Lesley: Yeah.) Years. (Lesley: Year.) And I think that was great because she she had an expectation of you know, putting her services out there and then just like clients are coming woohoo, and you know now she said it's been two and a half years. And now it feels like they're busy and they have consistency and things are, are beginning to go down that path. But, you know, at first it was like, you know, she's got to fight and, you know, scratch and claw for every single client, like, it's because there's a lot of competition and stuff. And ...
Lesley Logan
And I mean, also like, even the companies, even the coaches, even the businesses that you see out there that are like selling programs out there, not just turning on like, okay, everyone can sign up and it sells out. (Brad: Right) Like even us, we have to all year long be building relationships, be building that pipeline, be (Brad: Yeah) building that thing, so that when we do those things, it mostly fills up. And then we work really hard to get the rest. And so I just I just really love that she was so gonna vul... and share all of that, because so many of you have shared with me where you're at in your journey. (Brad: Sure) And it's important that you hear that even the people that you hear on this podcast, even the people that you see out there putting this beautiful social media together, they're working really hard. (Brad: Yeah.) ... they're working really hard. So anyway, one of the things I love that she said is the concept of bridging to create change in your life. You know, I love a good bridge. (Brad: Oh, yeah.) I love a good bridge, I am a great bridge. As at least what people say in the Pilates communities, like, "You're a great bridge." I am. So she talked to a couple of bullet points are creating a bridge between one project and the next, or one business in the next or between your full time job and the business you want to start. And she was talking about running her marketing thing, and then going into Up in a Day. I have bridged many, many times in (Brad: Yeah.) my life, and even including adding this podcast in, and there had to be a bridge to that. So (Brad: Sure), anytime and you're wanting to put something new into your life, there is going to have to be a bridge of time because you're going to have this ideal dream schedule where that thing exists in it. And then you have your current one. And then it's like what negotiations of your time and money to make room for the thing that I want to be the thing that I'm doing.
Brad Crowell
Yeah, I mean, I think the idea of just simply, you know, quitting one thing and starting the next thing, the next day is not realistic. You know, it just never seems to happen that way. Typically, you have one foot in and one foot out. And then something happens. Usually you have to make the leap, take the leap, right. And you actually have to completely remove yourself from the first situation, usually, because you're stuck on getting a paycheck from somewhere and you fear that you're not going to be able to replace that income when you're starting the new thing, whatever the (Lesley: Yeah) new thing might be. And I mean, I I can attest to that. That was like, literally the reason why I stayed in the shittiest situation where it was so stressful all the time. And it was because I was getting paid well enough that it made me go, I don't know how I'm going to replace this income. So maybe I should stick around. And ultimately, you know, it was very stressful to do that.
Lesley Logan
Well, we actually just talked about this one of our retreat girls, she has a job that pays her bills. (Brad: Yes.) And she doesn't want to do it. She wants to this other thing. But you know, one of the things that holding her back was health insurance. And I was like, "Can you just research how much health insurance costs? Like have you sat down?" And what if I think one of the suggestion was like, just get like a show up and like a show up job, like you show up, do the job and you fuck off, but you leave.
Brad Crowell
Well, so so what the suggestion was, and this was brilliant. And I will happily share. This is Melissa Capitano's (Lesley: Amazing idea.) ... recommendation. And she said, she said, Okay, how much do you making it each month? Can you live on less than that? If you can live on less than that for multiple months? Put the rest of that money aside? So like, let's just say you're making 5000 a month. Can you live on three? If you can live on three stash that 2000, right. And she said, give yourself a number of months, until you've been able to put aside six months worth of $3,000. So in that scenario, if you're making five, and you're you're working, you're living on only three, you're saving $2,000 a month. So you would need if you have six months $18,000 set aside so we're actually looking at nine months of a bridge of like of a preparation. Right.
Lesley Logan
But in the grand scheme of your life, nine months is nothing.
Brad Crowell
Well, that would give you your six month runway, then hypothetically, you could quit cold your your full time job and start your new thing. (Lesley: Yeah) But you've been planning it for nine months. (Lesley: Yeah) Alternatively, the second suggestion that Melissa had was, what if you did that for only a couple months, put a little bit of money aside and then you left the full time job that's actually ca... capturing all of your brain. Because really, that's what it is. It's like you come home and you're fried because you've been working so hard mentally. You know that by the end of the night you just don't even want to think anymore so you don't have time, you don't have the mental energy to work on your thing. What if you could get a throw away job? Actually, I think this became like part of the conversation at that one.
Yeah, ... Emily for the throw, she called them throw away job, or the, just show up job or the shut it down (Brad: Yeah) job.
And typically, that would be in the service industry where you know, you're not necessarily making the decisions, you're just filling in, you know, so and you're probably not making what you need to make. But it's a, it's a short term income stream that you can keep for three and six months. It's the bridge, right. And that allows you maybe you have that couple $1,000 stashed, so for emergency stuff, but you have some of your income coming in. But really, what's happening is now, instead of working 40 to 60 hours a week, you're only working 40 hours a week at the most, and you're not mentally taxed at the end of the day. When you get out of your job, guess what, you're probably on fire to work on your side project, because you certainly don't want to work in this throwaway job forever, (Lesley: Yeah.) you know, whether whatever it might be. And like I said, typically in service industry, it might not be your your end doll, you know, goal. And every time you go in and work on that, it's going to be very real for you. Like, I don't want to be here forever. I better get my stuff together on my on my project, right. (Lesley: Yeah) So I thought that was a really helpful suggestion.
Lesley Logan
And I love that she shared it because I because like, her thing is so cool. And they're so cool. And it can be as she tells her story. And this is not a site to her, we do this, everyone does this, you don't want to tell the whole journey and your story. Your story is like, I love this thing and I created this thing. And it's because the the bridge is actually like the middle. I know I'm really fucking loves the middle, like the middle is the middle. And so but I had to ask him like, "Well, did you just turn that off?" And the only thing I was trying to think of like, is there ever a scenario where somebody gets turned off and they only go on to the turn on and that is you get fired and you have a severance package to pay your fucking runway. That is the only time because all my friends who've been fired, didn't actually have the money to go right into their side hustle, they had to get a job (Brad: Yeah) to cover their bills. (Brad: Typically) So so yeah, sounds great. Anyways, what did you love?
Brad Crowell
Well, what I loved was this idea of the Pomodoro method.
Lesley Logan
I'm excited to see if you do this actually ... (Brad: So I've never ...) of your alley.
Brad Crowell
It is not my alley. I've never heard of it before. And it's a productivity method. So what is it? It's a productivity method? What does that actually mean? It's Italian for tomato, I think that's funny. Pomodoro is tomato in Italian. Why would you do the Pomodoro method, it promotes sustained concentration. And it staves off mental fatigue. Okay, so if you are like me, you have far too much to do in one day, and you get burned out, and then you just stop. Right? So this method will help you sustain your concentration level and stave off mental fatigue. Who is it for? And I did a whole bunch of reading on this. (Lesley: And I'm seeing that.) I created a whole list on this. So who is it for? It's for people who find that small things derail your entire workday. Here's a great example of a small thing that derails your workday. You are working, working, working and notification comes along, it's a text message, bam, you're now no longer working. You're now on this text message. It is also for, like, email coming in or anything. If you're in a work environment, and people can interrupt you, that is the most incredibly distracting thing. Okay, second, if you feel like you're slogging through a project way past, when your brain is firing, well, then this Pomodoro method could be for you. Meaning if you're like, "Oh, my God, I have to write a 50 page paper so that I can get my master's degree. And I've been staring at a blank screen. And I just can't think." Right. Maybe you could use the Pomodoro method.
Lesley Logan
Amy Ledin's kids use it there, they're homeschool. And she taught them the Pomodoro method. They all, she also taught them how to read like Jim Kwik does. And so (Brad: Crazy. I love that.) oh, it's so cool. But they get all their homework done. And they're not taxing them. They they're not cranky, and they love it. They're like they set a little timer up that it's so fun. It's really it's really easy to do once you know all the ways to do it.
Brad Crowell
So that rolls right into the next, "Who is this for?" If you if you have lots of open ended work that could take an unlimited amount of time. For example, studying for an exam, making social media posts, writing blog posts, for me, it's checking my damn email, it just seems like it never ends. You know, like, if you have lots of open ended work that could take an unlimited amount of time. This could be for you, right? It's not like, okay, I have to load the laundry, there's a start and a stop. Now, there's like those ongoing projects, you could use this method. If you're like me, and I already said this and you have 50 things to do and you're pretty sure you're gonna get them all done in a day. But in reality, you never actually get any of that done. You get like three things done ... I always think I can get done more than I actually get done. Maybe this method will work for you. Lastly, notice I'm not saying that this method worked for me, maybe (Lesley: we are ...) I'm not avoiding this ...
Lesley Logan
Here's what I, here's what I want to know this is, I'll hold you to this. Amanda helped me out here. I want Brad to try this out before his next solo episode (Brad laughs) so he can report back if he actually gets his ish done ... Because ...
Brad Crowell
The gauntlet has been thrown. All right. The other thing is, if you love a good challenge or a game, you can gamify your work by using the Pomodoro method. I thought that was pretty cool. Okay, so the question is, how do you do it? Okay, so there's, there are a series of steps. I wrote down seven of them, you most people write down five, but I thought I'll break it out in a couple more easy steps. Step number one is to turn off all distractions and notifications off. No, nothing can distract you to be 100% (Lesley: hard DND) you have to be 100% able to focus. So nothing flashing on your screen. No phone, no flashing lights. People are not allowed to come into your office. If they do you punch him in the face. I told yeah, it's like hard punch in the face. No, don't do that. Okay ...
Lesley Logan
My face for the listeners is like, like, this is the least violent person in the world. And he's like, punch them in the face.
Brad Crowell
Step two, pick one task, okay, now, this is not a project. This is a task. This is a task that you can complete. Okay. And if it's not, if it's that ongoing thing, take a bite sized piece of the ongoing thing. Okay, I'm going to answer 15 emails. Okay. Next is, set a 25 minute timer. 25 minutes, okay. Then start that timer. Step four, focus on that task until your timer is up. Step five, take a five minute break. Step six, start another 25 minute timer. Right. Then a five minute break, then another 25 minute timer, then a five minute break. Okay, so you see the idea here. But (Lesley: That seven. every ... Yeah, the last step is you, you figure out three or four hours of these 30 minute blocks 25 working five minutes off, 25 working five minutes off, three or four hours at the max, then you get up, take a walk 15 minutes or 30 minutes, you actually take a legit break, that could be eating lunch that could be walking on the block that could be making the phone call to your folks that because it's somebody's birthday, whatever those things that like, get your mind back into a different mode where you're not concentrating on work. And then you could do a whole another round two of this, another three or four hour session. And then bam, you've now literally worked an eight hour workday. So that's the Pomodoro method.
Lesley Logan
I'm so excited to see you do this. I love it.
Brad Crowell
Yeah. I mean, you know, it's for me, I set aside time, I have a lot of meetings. So like, I will like when I have to actually get work done. Like, it will have to rearrange my schedule to be like, here's my three hour Pomodoro time of actual work. Don't bother me, no meetings or phone calls.
Lesley Logan
But also, what if you just like sometimes you just have 25 minutes. So what if you just did the Pomodoro for 25 minutes? (Brad: Totally.) I mean, we use the timer ... the time cubes, we talked about before, but like, you know, I think that I think you should try it. (Brad: Yeah. I ...) That is me kindly asking you.
Brad Crowell
This is me deciding myself being making the decision (Lesley: Y'all, I'm upholder ...) if I am going to do the Pomodoro method.
Lesley Logan
If you all know Gretchen Rubin. I'm upholder, he's a rebel. I'm trying really hard not to make him do it because he fucking won't do it. But I'm really hoping that because he loves me so much. He'll try something (Lesley laughs)
Brad Crowell
Yes. All of the things ... I'm not very easily guilted. So
Lesley Logan
He's not. I still get my way. (Brad: I love it.) You're listening to a podcast that was definitely me getting my way.
Brad Crowell
So that's the Pomodoro method everyone.
All right. So finally, let's talk about those BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Lindy Nowak? I'm gonna jump in. So she said right away, or she said actually last, she gave us three things. But one of them was the Pomodoro method. But she had already talked about that. She said, hey, write lists, get it out of your head, start your morning, or at the end of your day, with writing everything out that you need to do for that day or for the next day. So essentially, it needs to be on paper. If you're trying to juggle it in your brain, the list of things you have to do, you will not be able to focus. And I know this because I was like this. I could not focus because I was trying to remember all the stuff. Second I started writing things down and I could see it in front of me. Then I could not I could have I allowed myself not to worry that I was going to miss something because I could see it in front of me. Very, very straightforward. This is not like rocket science. But it's so funny how many of us try to remember our mental checklist in our head, get it out of your head onto paper.
Lesley Logan
I can't even remember what I did this morning. So I gave up on remembering my task like, but I do love this. I write things out in the morning on my walk. And I rarely check it. But I like to get it out of my head.
Brad Crowell
Well it's good. Like I said, the bigger picture there is not whether you check it, the bigger picture is there that you are you are setting yourself up to release it. (Lesley: Yeah) You don't have to worry about forgetting it because you wrote it down. (Lesley: Yeah) And that is that that worry. Like it's subconscious. You might not even realize you're worrying about your list. But you are genuinely mentally taxing, it is draining.
Lesley Logan
Do you know what I think is? It's when you get mad at me for how many tabs, I have open on my phone, like I have all my apps open on my phone. And like, all these apps run in the background, so my phone is always dying, like the battery is always dying. And to the point that my husband doesn't really let me leave the house without actually taking the battery with me or he just I find my phone on a charger. And I didn't put it there. So but when you try to keep your list in your brain, you are literally draining your battery. So ...
Brad Crowell
That's a great comparison.
Lesley Logan
I thought so. I think I'm pretty good at this. (Brad: Sounds good. Sounds good.) Thank you. I think I'll keep this job. (Brad: What about you? What about you?) My biggest takeaway is be kind of yourself. Place yellow sticky notes with affirmations right your house. I love this. I love this. I mean, I tell myself amazing things all day long. As we all know, but but if you are not so good at that, which I didn't used to be one of the things I had done was actually set reminders on my phone to go off at random times of the day. And so sometimes things happen daily, sometimes things happened, like randomly on the week. And it was like we like 3:33 or whatever
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