Dr Melissa Derby is a Senior Lecturer teaching early literacy and human development at the University of Waikato's Tauranga campus and online. Melissa completed her PhD at the University of Canterbury, and her study was part of A Better Start National Science Challenge. Her primary area of research is early literacy, and in particular, in exploring the role of whānau in fostering foundational preliteracy skills. More generally, she has an interest in Māori education and success. Melissa's scholarship has been recognised through a range of awards, including a Fulbright-Ngā Pae o te Māramatanga Graduate Award, a SAGE Young Writer's Award, a University of Waikato Early Career Research Award, and two research awards from the Royal Society of New Zealand. She is the Director of the Early Years Research Centre at the University of Waikato, and co-Editor of the New Zealand Association for Research in Education's blog, Ipu Kererū. Melissa is on the Editorial Board for the journal of the International Literacy Association, The Reading Teacher. In New Zealand, she sits on a number of advisory groups for education and literacy, including the cabinet-appointed Ministerial Advisory Group advising the Minister of Education. Melissa is on the Board of Trustees at Matua School in Tauranga, New Zealand and the Board of Directors for Inspired Kindergartens in Tauranga, New Zealand.https://profiles.waikato.ac.nz/melissa.derby

Jill Ovens is a New Zealand trade unionist, politician, and women's rights advocate. She is the founder, co-leader and National Secretary of the Women's Rights Party.Before founding the Women's Rights Party, Jill Ovens was co-leader of the Alliance Party.In 2006, she resigned from the Alliance party. After being elected the northern secretary of the Service & Food Workers Union, she joined the Labour Party. She was a former Auckland/Northland regional representative on the Labour Party's Council.In 2023, Ovens resigned from the Labour Party as women's rights and voices were being subjugated by trans ideology activists within the Labour Party's leadership. In response, she founded the Women's Rights Party to highlight the loss of women's rights due to men claiming to be women trumping the hard-won civil rights of women. https://womensrightsparty.nzhttps://x.com/WRP_NZA review of the protections in the Human Rights Act 1993 for people who are transgender, people who are non-binary and people with innate variations of sex characteristicshttps://www.lawcom.govt.nz/our-work/ia-tangata/Do women have rights? with Sall Grover - The Shape of Dialogue #316 https://youtu.be/o6TBckVgZLI?si=IQqbe6eR0W1FjfzS

Dr James Kierstead is a Research Fellow with the Initiative and his main focus will be on higher education policy, including academic freedom.James holds a BA in Classics from Oxford, an MA in Ancient History from the University of London, an MA in Political Science from Stanford, and a PhD in Classics from Stanford.He is also the co-host (with Michael Johnston) of Free Kiwis!, a podcast dedicated to free speech in a New Zealand context.X at @Kleisthenes2.https://www.youtube.com/@Cleisthenes2/videos

gigglecrowdfund.comSall's X handle - @salltweetsA male named Roxy Tickle, who identifies as a woman, has brought a human rights claim against Sall Grover for not permitting him to use her female-only networking app, Giggle. He initially filed the complaint last year, but withdrew, due to funding reasons. He has now filed again, way out of time and is claiming that by excluding him, Sall is discriminating against him on the basis of his gender identity, which is a protected attribute under the Sex Discrimination Act.However, Sall actually hasn’t discriminated against him on the basis of gender identity at all, but on the basis of his sex which is also a protected attribute under the Act and in relation to which differential treatment between men and women is not discriminatory where this is necessary to protect or achieve equality for women.Indeed the Sex Discrimination Act was enacted in 1984 primarily to give effect to the international Convention on the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women(CEDAW), by addressing discrimination and inequality women faced on the basis of sex, for example in relation to biological and reproductive capacities like pregnancy and family responsibilities, in employment, education, facilities and services, and so on.But then, Julia Gillard’s government made amendments to the Act in 2013, making it unlawful to discriminate against a person on the basis of gender identity. The new amendments also removed the biological definitions of man and woman, and so woman can now include a biological male who has a female gender identity. Sex, and women’s rights and protections on the basis of sex, therefore become meaningless, as does the original intention of the Act. This has left us with a clear conflict between the sex-based rights of women and the rights of those claiming a gender identity.Not only will this case be the first opportunity we’ve had to resolve this conflict and to test whether sex is still a protected attribute in Australia, but because the Sex Discrimination Act was created pursuant to constitutional powers to legislate regarding international laws, and there is arguably no basis for gender identity protections under international law and certainly not under the Convention the Act was originally meant to give effect to, there is an argument to be made that the current gender identity protections are unconstitutional.This is huge, because if laws that undermine sex-based rights, such as gender identity protections, are found to be unconstitutional or otherwise unlawful, this could render invalid laws in every state giving effect to protections for gender identity, as these are subsidiary to federal laws. As a result, the sex-based protections for women and girls would be re-instated when it comes to their rights to female-only spaces, services, sports and so on.SummaryIt is all a bit complicated, but essentially, there has been a conflict between anti-discrimination protections for sex and gender identity since the Sex Discrimination Act was amended in 2013. This case is the first opportunity we’ve had to resolve this conflict and to test whether sex is still a protected attribute in Australia. Parliament has arguably acted outside its constitutional powers in legislating gender identity as a protected characteristic in the Sex Discrimination Act which was designed to protect against sex discrimination, as protections for gender identity have no basis in CEDAW or other international instruments.Details of first hearingTickle asked for an extension of time to bring his case against Sall. Sall’s team have asked Tickle to prove that he has the funds to bring his case (competency issue).Tickle asked for a cost capping order, so that if he loses, there will be a cap on legal costs that he’ll be ordered to cover.First two issues will be dealt at next hearing on 28 April. Sall’s team have...

A discussion about liberty, free speech and threats to liberal societies with British journalist and founder of the Free Speech Union, Toby Young.http://www.tobyyoung.co.ukhttps://www.spectator.co.uk/writer/toby-young/https://x.com/toadmeisterhttps://freespeechunion.orghttps://dailysceptic.orgDoc Edge & The UnRedacted with Alex Lee - The Shape of Dialogue Podcast #18https://youtu.be/uC0IYi5oYaMMusic - Bach Mass in B Minor conducted by John Eliot Gardiner https://open.spotify.com/album/3HdmIB3Wzcd7bFDdsgaIbp?si=dRMNyRieTLCTHMJfSBZ7mA

https://peterboghossian.comhttps://linktr.ee/peterboghossianPhilosopher Dr. Peter Boghossian's main focus is bringing the tools of professional philosophers to people in a wide variety of contexts. Peter has a teaching pedigree spanning more than 25 years and 30 thousand students - in prisons, hospitals, public and private schools, seminaries, universities, Fortune 100 companies, and small businesses. His fundamental objective is to teach people how to think through what often seem to be intractable problems.Peter's primary research areas are critical thinking and moral reasoning. His doctoral research studies, funded by the State of Oregon and supported by the Oregon Department of Corrections, consisted of using the Socratic method to help prison inmates to increase their critical thinking and moral reasoning abilities and to increase their desistance to criminal behavior.AuthorPeter's publications can be found in The New York Times, Time Magazine, The Wall Street Journal, Areo, The American Mind, The Clearing House, Corrections Today, CounterPunch, Education Policy Analysis, Educational Philosophy and Theory, Essays in Philosophy, Federal Probation Journal, Free Inquiry, Informal Logic, Inside Higher Ed, Journal of Correctional Education, Journal of Philosophy of Education, The Los Angeles Times, Motherboard, Quillette, New Discourses, National Review, New Statesman, Offender Programs Report, The Philosophers’ Magazine, Philosophy's Future, The Radical Academy, Radical Pedagogy, Scientific American, Skeptic, Skeptical Inquirer, The Spectator, Teaching Philosophy, Truthout, and USA Today.ProfessionalPeter is currently a Founding Faculty Fellow at the University of Austin and the Director of National Progress Alliance. He was a Councilman for the State of Oregon (LSTA), the Chairperson of the Prison Advisory Committee for Columbia River Correctional Institution, wrote national philosophy curricula for the University of Phoenix, a research fellow for the National Center for Teaching and Learning, a full-time faculty member in the department of philosophy at Portland State University, an Affiliate Research Assistant Professor at Oregon Health Sciences University in the Department of General Internal Medicine, an advisor for Counterweight, a Senior Fellow at Hungary’s Mathias Corvinus Collegium, a national speaker for the Center for Inquiry and an international speaker for the Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science.Music - Bach Mass in B Minor conducted by John Eliot Gardiner https://open.spotify.com/album/3HdmIB3Wzcd7bFDdsgaIbp?si=dRMNyRieTLCTHMJfSBZ7mA

Michael Johnston https://www.nzinitiative.org.nz/about-us/our-people/dr-michael-johnston/Jonathan Ayling https://www.fsu.nz/meet_the_teamThe role of Universities in supporting freedom of speechThe discussion on the role of universities in supporting freedom of speech held at Te Herenga Waka — Victoria University of Wellington in May 2024. Watch the full event here.https://youtu.be/T3rZQ7PxuUI?si=Afw28b_dBJU77UTr

https://www.fsu.nzJonathan Ayling is Chief Executive of theFree Speech Union. Jonathan has worked in Wellington, the New Zealand capital, for 8 years across roles as a Beehive staffer, senior political advisor, and in the NGO sector. In addition to leading the work at the Free Speech Union, he and his wife own a vineyard in the Wairarapa.

https://www.jonathanrauch.comJonathan Rauch was brought to New Zealand by the Free Speech Union for a speaking tour in May 2025. See here for more information about the Free Speech Union - https://www.fsu.nzJonathan Rauch is a highly acclaimed American journalist and senior fellow at the Brookings Institution in Washington. He has written eight books, including the renowned Kindly Inquisitors, which defends free speech and robust criticism, even when it's racist, sexist and highly offensive. Jonathan writes for many of the world's leading publications, including the New York Times, The Atlantic and The Wall Street Journal, with articles on public policy, culture, and government. He has received many awards for his writing, including the National Magazine Award, the equivalent of the Pulitzer Prize.Jonathan Rauch's booksThe Constitution of Knowledge: A Defense of Truth - https://a.co/d/0Gi0pYIKindly Inquisitors: The New Attacks on Free Thought - https://a.co/d/2uZ25eMAll of his bookshttps://www.amazon.com/stores/Jonathan-Rauch/author/B001HOP3SC?ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true

Helen Joyce is a journalist and was a staff writer for The Economist between 2005 and 2022. Helen held various leading positions at The Economist, including education editor, Brazil correspondent, International editor, Finance editor and Britain editor.Helen's first book, "Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality," was published by OneWorld in July 2021. It was reissued in 2023 under the new title "Trans: Gender Identity and the New Battle for Women's Rights.""Trans" was an immediate bestseller and was named by the Times, Spectator and Observer as one of their books of 2021. Helen now campaigns for women's rights and works with the start-up human-rights organisation Sex Matters, which campaigns for clarity about the two sexes, male and female, in law and in life.https://www.thehelenjoyce.com/https://www.thehelenjoyce.com/trans-news-and-reviews/https://www.amazon.com.au/TRANS-When-Ideology-Meets-Reality/dp/0861540492https://sex-matters.org/Music - Bach Mass in B Minor conducted by John Eliot Gardiner https://open.spotify.com/album/3HdmIB3Wzcd7bFDdsgaIbp?si=dRMNyRieTLCTHMJfSBZ7mA

Richard Dawkins - https://richarddawkins.com/In February 2023, Richard Dawkins asked me to host his New Zealand speaking tour. Today's podcast is the Auckland event, in which Richard discusses the scientific method, his recent book Flights of Fancy, and the debate surrounding the inclusion of non-scientific Māori mythological concepts in the New Zealand school science curriculum. Richard needs no introduction, but if anyone has been hiding under a rock for the last 50 years, here's a brief description of his contribution to the world. Richard Dawkins is a world-famous Oxford University evolutionary biologist. He has led an illustrious career as an influential scientist, author, public intellectual and, importantly, an ardent advocate for science. It's no exaggeration to say Richard is one of the greatest minds of our time, and through his many books and public engagement, has positively changed millions of lives. Richard is a prolific and highly influential author and one of the greatest writers of his generation. He has written 20 books, including The Selfish Gene, The Extended Phenotype, and the magic of reality.Throughout his career, Richard has been a strong critic of religion and views the existence of God as a falsifiable hypothesis. In The Blind Watchmaker, he debunks creationist claims that life is far too complicated not to have had an omniscient designer.

About Nick Matzke - https://profiles.auckland.ac.nz/n-matzkeBackgroundIn July 2021, seven University of Auckland professors published a letter to the editor in the New Zealand Listener, titled In Defence of Science.The professors' were responding to a Government education report (see link below), recommending parity for Mātauranga Māori in the secondary school curriculum, and in particular, in the science classroom.The report states:”Our goal is to ensure parity for mātauranga Māori with the other bodies of knowledge credentialed by NCEA (particularly Western/Pākehā epistemologies)."The report also states:"Philosophy and History of Science is a unique strand in Pūtaiao [Māori word for Science], with no equivalent in the New Zealand Curriculum. It promotes discussion and analysis of the ways in which science has been used to support the dominance of Eurocentric views (among which, its use as a rationale for colonisation of Māori and the suppression of Māori knowledge); and the notion that science is a Western European invention and itself evidence of European dominance over Māori and other indigenous peoples. Pūtaiao allows opportunities to incorporate Māori perspectives and knowledge about the natural world into the classroom. In this regard, it decentres Western epistemologies and methodologies."The professors' letter arose from their concern for "the disturbing misunderstandings of science emerging at all levels of education and in science funding", which they state is encourages a mistrust of science. Their concern is in the context of the decline in maths and science achievements in New Zealand schools, particularly by Māori and Pacific Island students.Their letter stated that:"Indigenous knowledge is critical for the preservation and perpetuation of culture and local practices, and plays key roles in management and policy. However, in the discovery of empirical, universal truths, it falls far short of what we can define as science itself. To accept it as the equivalent of science is to patronise and fail indigenous populations; better to ensure that everyone participates in the world's scientific enterprises. Indigenous knowledge may indeed help advance scientific knowledge in some ways, but it is not science".The reaction to the "In Defence of Science" by the University of Auckland, the Royal Society of New Zealand Te Apārangi, the Tertiary Education Union, and the New Zealand Association of Scientists was not positive and can be viewed in the following articles…NZ Herald - Scientists rubbish Auckland University professors' letter claiming Māori knowledge is not sciencehttps://tinyurl.com/2p8v2h9sRNZ - University academics' claim mātauranga Māori 'not science' sparks controversyhttps://tinyurl.com/2ybvk3jaResearch Professional News - Public letter from academics sparks Māori science rowhttps://tinyurl.com/3juc66ycAn open letter in response to the professors' letter by professors Hendy and Wiles, "An open response to In defence of science" was co-signed by 2000 people.https://tinyurl.com/2p8m65xnLinks…NCEA Education - What is Science about?https://ncea.education.govt.nz/science/science?view=learningThe Government education reporthttps://tinyurl.com/3yfry76hhttps://medium.com/@shapeofdialogue ..... for.....“In Defence of Science” - Letter to the editor published in the New Zealand Listener, July 2021“More In Defence of Science” - Supplementary Note to In Defence of Science letter to the editor published in the New Zealand Listener, July...

Save Our Schools Reporthttps://www.nzinitiative.org.nz/reports-and-media/reports/save-our-schools-solutions-for-new-zealands-education-crisis/document/797Dr Michael Johnston is a Senior Fellow at the New Zealand Initiative. He leads the workstream on education.Prior to his time at the Initiative, Dr Johnston held academic positions at Victoria University of Wellington from 2011-2022. From 2020 until 2022 he was the Associate Dean (Academic) in the University’s Faculty of Education.Prior to his time at Victoria, Dr Johnston was the Senior Statistician at the New Zealand Qualifications Authority, a position he held for 6 years. Before that, he was a lecturer in psychology at the University Melbourne and a Research Fellow at Latrobe University.Dr Johnston holds a PhD in Cognitive Psychology from the University of Melbourne.https://www.nzinitiative.org.nz/about-us/our-people/dr-michael-johnston/

Jewher Ilhamhttps://www.allstaticandnoise.com/Twitter https://twitter.com/jewherilhamJewher Ilham: A Uyghur's Fight to Free Her Father (Broken Silence)https://www.amazon.com/Jewher-Ilham-Uyghurs-Father-Silence/dp/1608011054Ilham Tohti : http://www.ilhamtohti.com/Uyghur Forced Labor Checkerhttps://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/uyghur-forced-labor-check/ejodaepockllkcloibcchpjnfoopincpUyghur Forced Labor Prevention Acthttps://www.cbp.gov/trade/forced-labor/UFLPAChina: UN experts deeply concerned by alleged detention, forced labour of Uyghurshttps://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2021/03/china-un-experts-deeply-concerned-alleged-detention-forced-labour-uyghursChina: 83 major brands implicated in report on forced labour https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/china-83-major-brands-implicated-in-report-on-forced-labour-of-ethnic-minorities-from-xinjiang-assigned-to-factories-across-provinces-includes-company-responses/

Director David Novack talks about All Static & Noise, his documentary on the Uyghur genocide in western China.www.allstaticandnoise.comwww.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100088787521406https://www.instagram.com/allstaticandnoise/https://twitter.com/allstatic_noisehttps://www.odessafilms.com/our-films.htmlhttps://www.odessafilms.com/david-novack.htmlhttps://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2021/03/china-un-experts-deeply-concerned-alleged-detention-forced-labour-uyghurshttps://www.cbp.gov/trade/forced-labor/UFLPAhttps://www.workersrights.org/https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/china-83-major-brands-implicated-in-report-on-forced-labour-of-ethnic-minorities-from-xinjiang-assigned-to-factories-across-provinces-includes-company-responses/

Connect with Lawrence at https://lawrencemkrauss.com/ Get Lawrence's book at: https://www.amazon.com/Edge-Knowledge... Get exclusive bonus content at https://lawrencekrauss.substack.com/Twitter: https: //twitter.com/LKrauss1?s=20Lawrence Krauss explores the unanswered questions at the forefront of science today and likely for the coming century and beyond.Internationally known theoretical physicist and bestselling author Lawrence Krauss explores science's greatest unanswered questions.Three of the most important words in science are "I don't know." Not knowing implies a Universe of opportunities—the possibility of discovery and surprise. Our understanding of science has advanced immeasurably over the last five hundred years, yet many fundamental mysteries still persist. How did our Universe begin? How big is the Universe? Is time travel possible? What's at the centre of a black hole? How did life on Earth arise? Are we alone? What is consciousness, and can we create it?These mysteries define the edge of science - the threshold of the unknown. Exploring these known unknowns is to gain a deeper understanding of just how far science has progressed. Covering time, space, matter, life, and consciousness, Krauss introduces readers to topics that will shape the state of science for the next century, providing us all a passport for our own journeys of discovery and exploration.

Alex Lee, co-founder and director of the Doc Edge International Documentary Film Festival, talks about the worldwide banning of Meg Smaker's feature-length documentary, "The Unredacted (Jihad Rehab)". The film follows a group of men trained by al-Qaeda who are transferred from Guantanamo and sent to the world's first rehabilitation centre for "terrorists" in Saudi Arabia. Alex talks about why New Zealand's Doc Edge was the only film festival in the world to show The Unredacted after Sundance Film Festival removed the film from its lineup and apologised for showing it because a small group of activists campaigned against the film.Tickets for Auckland screening - 26 April 2023, 6.30 PM, Sky City Theatrehttps://docedge.nz/festival/films/the-unredacted-2023/Please help Meg to get her film shown by donating here..........gofundme.com/f/the-unredacted-jihad-rehab https://jihadrehab.com/Sam Harris Podcast - A Tale of Cancellation: A Conversation with Meg Smaker - https://youtu.be/rec9wVWa1IATwitter: @Meighon

Professor Mike Berridge completed a doctoral degree in cell biology at the University of Auckland in 1971 exploring the mechanism of action of plant growth hormones. Following postdoctoral research in developmental molecular biology at Purdue University, USA, and experience as a staff scientist at National Institute for Medical Research, Mill Hill, UK, he returned to Wellington in 1976 as the second Malaghan Research Fellow where he established the Cancer Cell & Molecular Biology Research Group and was a founding scientist of the Wellington Cancer & Medical Research Institute, later renamed the Malaghan Institute of Medical Research in recognition of major personal support by Len and Anne Malaghan.Prof Berridge received a James Cook Fellowship in the health sciences in 2003 and was awarded the Health Research Council Liley Medal for outstanding research on cellular metabolism in 2016. In the same year he was a semi-finalist in the KiwiBank New Zealander of the Year Awards.Prof Berridge’s current research interests include cancer cell energy metabolism and mitochondrial gene transfer between cells in human disease. As a science communicator, he recently published “The Edge of Life” (2015), and “Sugar, Rum and Tobacco: Taxes and Public Health in New Zealand” with Lisa Marriott in 2017. In 2023 Mike received a Doctor of Science from Victoria University of Wellington for his lifetime achievements in science.https://www.wgtn.ac.nz/news/2022/09/professor-michael-berridgehttps://www.malaghan.org.nz/our-expertise/our-people/science-leadership/professor-mike-berridge/https://www.malaghan.org.nz/news-and-reports/news/professor-mike-berridge-a-journey-through-the-frontiers-of-the-biological-sciences/

Steven Pinker is an experimental psychologist who conducts research in visual cognition, psycholinguistics, and social relations. He grew up in Montreal and earned his BA from McGill and his PhD from Harvard. Currently Johnstone Professor of Psychology at Harvard, he has also taught at Stanford and MIT. He has won numerous prizes for his research, his teaching, and his books, including The Language Instinct, How the Mind Works, The Blank Slate, The Better Angels of Our Nature, The Sense of Style, and Enlightenment Now. He is an elected member of the National Academy of Sciences, a two-time Pulitzer Prize finalist, a Humanist of the Year, a recipient of nine honorary doctorates, and one of Foreign Policy’s “World’s Top 100 Public Intellectuals” and Time’s “100 Most Influential People in the World Today.” He was Chair of the Usage Panel of the American Heritage Dictionary, and writes frequently for the New York Times, the Guardian, and other publications. His twelfth book, published in 2021, is called Rationality: What It Is, Why It Seems Scarce, Why It Matters.https://stevenpinker.com/Works mentioned in the podcastMetaphors we live by - George Lakoff and Mark Johnsonhttps://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/M/bo3637992.htmlThe Architecture of Complexity — Herbert Simon on Watchmaking, Hierarchies, and Decomposable Systemshttps://athenarium.com/the-architecture-of-complexity-herbert-simon/Alexander Luriahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Luria#Main_areas_of_researchMusic - Bach: Mass in B MinorMonteverdi Choir & John Eliot Gardinerhttps://music.apple.com/nz/album/j-s-bach-mass-in-b-minor-bwv-232/1053521016

About Charles Royal - http://www.charles-royal.nz/In 2021, 7 University of Auckland professors penned a letter to the editor in the Listener, titled In Defence of Science.The professors' were responding to a Government education report (link below), recommending parity for Mātauranga Māori in the secondary school curriculum, and in particular, in the science classroom.The report states:”Our goal is to ensure parity for mātauranga Māori with the other bodies of knowledge credentialed by NCEA (particularly Western/Pākehā epistemologies)."The report also states:"Philosophy and History of Science is a unique strand in Pūtaiao [Māori word for Science], with no equivalent in the New Zealand Curriculum. It promotes discussion and analysis of the ways in which science has been used to support the dominance of Eurocentric views (among which, its use as a rationale for colonisation of Māori and the suppression of Māori knowledge); and the notion that science is a Western European invention and itself evidence of European dominance over Māori and other indigenous peoples. Pūtaiao allows opportunities to incorporate Māori perspectives and knowledge about the natural world into the classroom. In this regard, it decentres Western epistemologies and methodologies."The professors' were concerned by "the disturbing misunderstandings of science emerging at all levels of education and in science funding", which they state encourages a mistrust of science, in the context of the decline in maths and science achievements in New Zealand schools, particularly by Māori and Pacific Islanders.Their letter stated:"Indigenous knowledge is critical for the preservation and perpetuation of culture and local practices, and plays key roles in management and policy. However, in the discovery of empirical, universal truths, it falls far short of what we can define as science itself. To accept it as the equivalent of science is to patronise and fail indigenous populations; better to ensure that everyone participates in the world's scientific enterprises. Indigenous knowledge may indeed help advance scientific knowledge in some ways, but it is not science".The reaction to the "In Defence of Science" by the University of Auckland, the Royal Society of New Zealand Te Apārangi, the Tertiary Education Union, and the New Zealand Association of Scientists was not positive, see linksNZ Herald - Scientists rubbish Auckland University professors' letter claiming Māori knowledge is not sciencehttps://tinyurl.com/2p8v2h9sRNZ - University academics' claim mātauranga Māori 'not science' sparks controversyhttps://tinyurl.com/2ybvk3jaResearch Professional News - Public letter from academics sparks Māori science row