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John MacDonald: Covid rules - The Govt has done the right thing and the wrong thing
12-04-2023
John MacDonald: Covid rules - The Govt has done the right thing and the wrong thing
When I had Covid last year, I wouldn’t have known I had it if I hadn’t tested. And the only reason I did a test was because my wife was crook and under the rules I had to test negative to keep going to work. So, no symptoms at all, but still positive. So I was in Covid prison for seven days, as well. And every day - in fact, sometimes several times a day - I would get the RATs out just to double check I did actually have it. Because I felt perfectly fine. I had a whole pile of them with the two red lines. Felt fine, but I was actually crook. And if I hadn’t tested the first time, I would’ve kept sailing around the place thinking I was Mr Healthy. And if what happened last year at our place was to happen again today, I’d still end up in Covid prison for a week because, yesterday, the Government decided to stick with the Covid isolation rules for a bit longer. Most reports I’ve seen over the past 24 hours have said the Government wants to keep them in place for a couple of months. Although one overseas media outlet is saying this morning that the isolation rules are here for the rest of the year. Either way, if you get Covid anytime soon - you’ll be expected to isolate. And I reckon the only reason the Government has done what it’s done, is because generally people are bozos and can’t be trusted to do the right thing. When I say “the right thing”, it’s no different from what “the right thing” was before Covid was around. Which was simple: if you’re sick, stay home. But we had outfits like Codral saying “soldier on”. Remember that? And ads on TV with people at bus stops looking miserable because they were full of a cold or man-flu. Feeling very sorry for themselves but “soldiering on” for the greater good. And, because we’ve still got this stupid “soldier on” mentality, even after the whole Covid thing, the Government feels it’s got no choice but to keep the isolation rules going. Remember early on in the pandemic when Sir Ashley Bloomfield stood up on TV and said “people aren’t the problem, the virus is the problem”. It was a nice line. Then. These days, though, I am in no doubt that people are the problem. How many people have you looked sideways at because they’ve been sneezing and rasping and, somehow, they’re medical experts too and they've told you “oh, it’s not Covid. It’s just hayfever”. Even without testing, they know for sure it’s not Covid. Experts apparently! Yeah, I’ve got another word to describe them. Bozos. And it’s these bozos who have a whole of other people living in fear. It’s not the Government making people scared - it’s all these selfish idiots who just want to keep on soldiering on, even when they’re full of Covid. People waiting for specialist health treatment. They’re terrified of the bozos, because if they get Covid their treatment could be off. People with respiratory conditions. They’re terrified of the bozos because if they get Covid, it could be curtains for them. Employers. Especially the ones in hospitality or retail. They’re terrified of the bozos because if Covid goes through the shop or the restaurant or the cafe, they can’t operate. And despite Sir Ashley Bloomfield’s kind words back in the day when he said people weren’t the problem, the virus was the problem - despite all that, I’m in no doubt that people are the problem, because they just can’t be trusted to do the right thing. The right thing being - if you’re sick, stay home. And because people are the problem, we are stuck with these home isolation rules and for who knows how long - because I don't see people suddenly growing brain cells and suddenly becoming less selfish than they are right now. Which is why I think the Government has done the right thing and the wrong thing. By keeping the isolation rules, it’s done the right thing - because there are so many bozos out there who only think about number one. But it’s done the wrong thing too, because, surely, we’ve reached a point where Covid has to be seen in the same light as influenza - and we don’t force people to stay home if they have the flu, despite the fact that they can a lot sicker with the flu than they’ll ever be with Covid. So, I’m disappointed that the isolation rules haven’t been scrapped but, because people are so selfish, I don't think the Government had any choice.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Kerre Woodham: Isolation periods; keep them in place, or rely on common sense?
11-04-2023
Kerre Woodham: Isolation periods; keep them in place, or rely on common sense?
You might have heard Prime Minister Chris Hipkins on the Newstalk ZB this morning saying the Government will be making a carefully balanced decision on whether to scrap the mandatory seven-day isolation period for people who test positive for Covid. Cabinet will be reviewing Covid rules with an announcement expected sometime this in the near future. They're going to be basing their decision on the latest public health advice and the state of the health system heading into winter. Well, we can tell them that it's buggered, isn't it? I mean, it's pretty much stuffed. The Prime Minister told Tim Dower this morning it's a careful balancing act between the impact of people being unable to go to work and the impact of Covid spreading. The public health professionals, who we all saw rather too much of throughout Covid, have been urging the Government over the weekend to keep the few remaining restrictions in place. These being the seven-day isolation period and the wearing of masks in many spaces to protect against not only Covid, but the other dangerous respiratory illnesses doing the rounds including flu and whooping cough. And all of them were preaching the abundance of caution message, which I suppose is their job. This is what they're trained to do. To warn people about infectious diseases and try to prevent any deaths at all. I get it. I guess when it comes to the mandatory stand down period, what that did was give people who don't have flexibility or autonomy with their employers the ability to take time off. They had to. They had no choice in the matter. So many people during those awful years rang me and said they would be going to work regardless of whether or not they tested positive, because they simply could not afford to stay home. So where do you stand on this one? I imagine it will depend on whether you're an employee with a good boss and you'll say, yes, well, get rid of the mandatory period. You have somewhere where you can rest where you're not surrounded by ten other people. You've got the ability to get yourself better. But if you're someone and your income is the difference between having a roof over your head or not, and you are told to stand down for seven days. You're not going to do it, are you? You're going to drag yourself out of bed; no matter how sick you're feeling and go to work because that is what you have to do. So what's right in your opinion? Keep the mandatory stand down period for those who simply haven't got the luxury of taking time off, it has to be enforced before they can do it. Or rely on common sense?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mike's Minute: Another court case unravelling the Government's Covid decisions
14-03-2023
Mike's Minute: Another court case unravelling the Government's Covid decisions
There was a big, and welcome, Covid win for the unvaccinated carers who took the Government to court, with the court deciding the Government erred. It's not the first time the Government has lost or has been found to err in court over Covid. But this one seemed particularly egregious to me. This, in a way, goes back to the Matt Hancock scandal in Britain where his astonishing series of WhatsApp messages, as well as email and text communications, during Covid showed just what a mess the whole Government approach was. I asked at the time what sort of picture would be painted if we had the local versions available to us. The court cases that have been taken, to a very small degree, give us an insight. The family carers had their funding stopped and they were threatened with fines. The judge has found that the mandate was invalid because it was not a decision that was available to the minister on the basis of the information that was before him at the time. They hadn't originally been included in the mandates but the minister was advised to amend the order. The key was no public advice was given in the briefing to the minister as to why the amendments should be made. There was not enough information before him to make the amendment - and yet he did. Oh, by the way, the minister we refer to? Chris Hipkins. It was clearly driven by the Government's one stop shop approach. They wanted a vaccinated work force and there was no room for exceptions or subtlety. So, with a stroke of a pen the carers were out, the money was stopped and they were alienated for a year. I'm not sure whether this victory puts it right for them. They want an apology, which I would have thought was a forgone conclusion, and the Government is looking to cough the money they stopped. But it is another insight into what clearly was a frantic mess behind the scenes, where anything was accepted and they took a “we will explain later approach”. There were two broad approaches that Governments could have taken to Covid. Either lead by example and clarity and take the people with you, or bludgeon them with fear and dictate. They chose the 'Pulpit of Truth', it cost a Prime Minister her job - and they ended up in court and, on this example, lost. With the benefit of hindsight, and SME legal action, it's becoming more and more clear they made the wrong choice.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.