Overdrive Outdoors Podcast

Hot topic day. This episode Josh and Kevin dive into "hot topics". Opinions and thoughts on issues that have arrived or been brought up in discussion on social media. Issues we discuss are the dumping of several coyotes in a ditch near a local establishment and a school bus pickup/drop off spot. We go over the "BODA" rules including penalties for violations, we discuss the reason why you SHOULD not be doing this, from just a plain responsible and ethical standpoint to some unintended consequences of doing this, we talk about proper ways to dispose of animals, and available uses. We then get on the topic of terminology, why some terminology commonly used is best kept (in our opinion, isn't the 1st amendment great?!) in our circle, and not with the public as well as personal reasons WHY WE prefer to use certain terms. Then we move off the "hot topics" and get into a little bit of technical about suppressors, setting up a gas block on a semi auto, and nuances of suppressors. And lastly we talk a bit about a couple recent hunts, Kevins deer, and our coyote hunting. As always, THANK YOU for listening. Predator Thermal Optics code "ptothermal" for 10% off all Predator Thermal Optics brand Scopes and Monoculars www.predatorthermaloptics.com www.predatorhunteroutdoors.com code: tripod for 10% off tripods and mounts code: light for 20% off lighting products Predator Hunter Outdoors www.huntwise.com code: OVERDRIVE20 for 20% off an annual membership HuntWise Oak Ridge Customs ATN Prym1

This week Josh and Kevin welcome back Ray Dancer from Michigan Outdoor reports. We discuss our deer season so far and then get to hear about Rays, including his hunting with a traditional bow, what set up he uses, shooting instinctual, broad head and arrow choices and more. We talk about processing deer, our choices on how, meaning what cuts or grind we do, and what we do with it. We hear about what's going on at Michigan outdoor reports with Ray and his crew. And lastly we discuss what the plans are for the rest of the season. We wish you all a happy Thanksgiving and hope you enjoy time with your families and if you go out, time in the field. As always, THANK YOU for listening. Predator Thermal Optics code "ptothermal" for 10% off all Predator Thermal Optics brand Scopes and Monoculars www.predatorthermaloptics.com www.predatorhunteroutdoors.com code: tripod for 10% off tripods and mounts code: light for 20% off lighting products Predator Hunter Outdoors www.huntwise.com code: OVERDRIVE20 for 20% off an annual membership HuntWise Oak Ridge Customs ATN Prym1

This week Josh and Kevin sit down for a fireside chat. We start off discussing a little bit about the seasons, archery and rifle, and what cartridges are popular (meaning sales that Kevin has seen at his shop) specifically in terms of the .450 bushmaster and .350 legend for the limited rifle zone, where he has not seen a demand so far for the newer cartridges, the .350 seems to be leading the pack. We then get into discussing a bit about reloading, how small mistakes in terms of powder and failure to follow the manuals or other established data can be disastrous, we also talk a little about the differences between black powder and smokeless powder. Then we discuss Joshs most recent archery hunting experiences. The highs and lows, time at the new family cabin, and the value of having family together in a hunt camp. And to end we talk about the ATC charity event a bit and plans for the upcoming rifle season. Predator Thermal Optics code "ptothermal" for 10% off all Predator Thermal Optics brand Scopes and Monoculars www.predatorthermaloptics.com www.predatorhunteroutdoors.com code: tripod for 10% off tripods and mounts code: light for 20% off lighting products Predator Hunter Outdoors www.huntwise.com code: OVERDRIVE20 for 20% off an annual membership HuntWise Oak Ridge Customs ATN Prym1

This week Kevin and Josh welcome back Dave Buikema of Razor Broadheads. We start off by talking about some recent hunts, Coyotes and deer, including dealing with owls when calling, as in dodging them. We then get into deer hunting, hearing about both Daves and Josh's recent adventures. We talk about specifics of broad head performance, the what's and whys of terminal performance in actual field use, and some more testing that Dave wishes to do to find out in the future. We hear from Dave about Razor Broadheads new offerings, 125gr up to 300 grain broadheads and a new color option (the ever fashionable black) We also get into discussing the EHD issue, how it has effected the herds in different areas, including local deer farms, and how one deer farm owner has found that he can tell (according to him) which deer are infected by viewing them through thermal. We discuss as well the mindset of hunters and how it is ever so slowly changing in regards to balancing the herds in areas in terms of the buck to doe ratio. How each hunter determines the balance and when it is over balanced as well as why you want to balance for a healthy herd. As always, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. Predator Thermal Optics code "ptothermal" for 10% off all Predator Thermal Optics brand Scopes and Monoculars www.predatorthermaloptics.com www.predatorhunteroutdoors.com code: tripod for 10% off tripods and mounts code: light for 20% off lighting products Predator Hunter Outdoors www.huntwise.com code: OVERDRIVE20 for 20% off an annual membership HuntWise Oak Ridge Customs ATN Prym1

This week, Josh is live from deer camp with his brother Kyle. They discuss a bit of Kyles time living in Florida, learning to fish for species he wasnt used to catching back home in Michigan. They then move on to the weekends hunting, expectations from trail camera details, and scouting results. They each discuss their hunts, what was seen, what was heard and what was learned. Josh tells a story of heart break on a dandy public land 8 point, and Kyle tries to determine why deer seem to disappear on the weekends. We hope you are all having a great deer season so far! As always, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. Predator Thermal Optics code "ptothermal" for 10% off all Predator Thermal Optics brand Scopes and Monoculars www.predatorthermaloptics.com www.predatorhunteroutdoors.com code: tripod for 10% off tripods and mounts code: light for 20% off lighting products Predator Hunter Outdoors www.huntwise.com code: OVERDRIVE20 for 20% off an annual membership HuntWise Maniac Outdoors- Code OD15 for 15% off scent fuel products Oak Ridge Customs ATN Prym1

On this episode Josh and Kevin welcome Dom Zambelli to the show. Dom is a Michigan hunter who recently had his 1st successful deer hunt here in Michigan. We hear about Doms hunting history, and his journey into deer hunting. We discuss the tools he used, tactics and the whole story of his 1st deer, everything from scouting to field dressing it by himself, and what he plans on doing with it, like saving the liver, but not the heart, as we talk about various methods of cooking different parts of the deer. We get into what Dom learned from that hunt, how he may change either gear or tactics and what his future plans of hunting other animals includes, such as waterfowl. We also discuss a bit about Josh's recent hunts and the hunt that Kevin joined him on, getting back into a tree for the 1st time in probably 6 years. As always, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. Predator Thermal Optics code "ptothermal" for 10% off all Predator Thermal Optics brand Scopes and Monoculars www.predatorthermaloptics.com www.predatorhunteroutdoors.com code: tripod for 10% off tripods and mounts code: light for 20% off lighting products Predator Hunter Outdoors www.huntwise.com code: OVERDRIVE20 for 20% off an annual membership HuntWise Maniac Outdoors- Code OD15 for 15% off scent fuel products Oak Ridge Customs ATN Prym1

This week Josh and Kevin welcome back returning guest Ross Graveling. Ross is part of Sportspersons Ministries and an avid outdoorsman. We start by talking about a couple recent hunts, then get into the topic this week, hunter safety. Ross has been teaching hunter safety for awhile now to both kids and adults. We talk about Michigan specific stuff, what to do if you can't find your hunter safety certificate, the importance of safety and how the courses are done. Ross tells us about the variety of students from both young and old, men and women that attend the courses. We then get into Bow hunting and hunting from a tree stand specifically. The importance of safety systems, like straps even for when hanging a stand and the anti-fall devices. We discuss personal and other instances of accidents that could have been avoided by using such systems. Later in the discussion we talk about the importance of communicating where you are hunting and expected times of return, so that in the event of an accident getting help to you soon is more likely. We then get into talking about the ATC tournament coming up in January, going over specifics about the event like registration, sponsors, rules etc. https://sportspersonsministries.org/atc As always, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. Predator Thermal Optics code "ptothermal" for 10% off all Predator Thermal Optics brand Scopes and Monoculars www.predatorhunteroutdoors.com code: tripod for 10% off tripods and mounts code: light for 20% off lighting products Predator Hunter Outdoors www.huntwise.com code: OVERDRIVE20 for 20% off an annual membership HuntWise Maniac Outdoors- Code OD15 for 15% off scent fuel products ORC Archery ATN Prym1

This week's podcast is a fire side chat with Josh and Kevin. We recap Kevins recent coyote hunt in the woods at night, talking about using thermal in thick cover, being able to see brush and such. We talk about Joshs deer hunting early season with his Kids for both the youth season and early doe, we get into the .350 legend, how the kids handled it and how it performed on deer. We delve into using LRF and various range finding methods, talking about using built in laser range finders, vs handheld. We talk a bit about using "Mil-dot" systems and how they can be a very good tool, IF you know how to use them, and the details about using them. Along with various optics that use them or similar systems. Josh and Kevin both talk about deer camp, what it means to them, how just being at camp is such a comforting feeling, no matter where the camp is. Good times with folks you know doing what you love, successful or not. As always, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. Predator Thermal Optics code "ptothermal" for 10% off all Predator Thermal Optics brand Scopes and Monoculars www.predatorhunteroutdoors.com code: tripod for 10% off tripods and mounts code: light for 20% off lighting products Predator Hunter Outdoors www.huntwise.com code: OVERDRIVE20 for 20% off an annual membership HuntWise Maniac Outdoors- Code OD15 for 15% off scent fuel products ORC Archery ATN Prym1

We have covered hunting various game animals with dogs, and lots of other methods, but this week, we learn about something that we haven heard of before, but have never gotten 1st hand info on. Falconry. This week Josh and Kevin Welcome David Lanting to the show. David has 18 years experience hunting with Hawks. We start off talking about his hunting background, growing up, then move on into information on using birds of prey to hunt. David tells us about the paperwork involved, the process of getting a bird, what to look for in a bird, the process of "bonding" with the bird to get it to trust you and hunt with you. We discuss how hunting with them works, the challenges and concerns, season vs. non- hunting season activities during different times of year and care of the birds through all of that. David tells us about birds and their personalities, different types of birds used for hunting, and the game they are used for. He then tells us about using a dog in conjunction with the birds. Overall a very educational episode if you ever wanted to learn more about hunting with birds of prey. As always, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. Predator Thermal Optics code "ptothermal" for 10% off all Predator Thermal Optics brand Scopes and Monoculars www.predatorhunteroutdoors.com code: tripod for 10% off tripods and mounts code: light for 20% off lighting products Predator Hunter Outdoors www.huntwise.com code: OVERDRIVE20 for 20% off an annual membership HuntWise Maniac Outdoors- Code OD15 for 15% off scent fuel products ORC Archery ATN Prym1

This week's episode is a fireside chat with John Smith and Shane Shepherd of Predator Pursuit of Michigan LLC. Josh and Kevin welcome them to the show and get their stories, how they came up in the outdoors, hunting fishing and trapping. We discuss what they hunted, and fished, and how their families did and do as well. We discuss their history of trapping, and THE history of trapping, why their families used to do it, for financial reasons, and why now it no longer is a very viable form of income. But was a great introduction to the outdoors. We talk about their start and continued pursuit of predators, starting with lights, then night vision and now thermal and we discuss the gear used then vs now, gun set ups, optics and more. We touch briefly on their hog hunting experiences and eating of wild hog vs domestic. The guys tell us a bit about the differences in gaining access to property in their area for predators vs getting access for deer and waterfowl. We also talk a bit about recent hunts including a couple successful daytime hunts. we finish talking about the upcoming deer season including the youth/liberty hunt this weekend. Couple of great guys from Michigan, give it a listen. As always, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. Predator Thermal Optics code "ptothermal" for 10% off all Predator Thermal Optics brand Scopes and Monoculars www.predatorhunteroutdoors.com code: tripod for 10% off tripods and mounts code: light for 20% off lighting products Predator Hunter Outdoors www.huntwise.com code: OVERDRIVE20 for 20% off an annual membership HuntWise Maniac Outdoors- Code OD15 for 15% off scent fuel products ORC Archery ATN Prym1

This week Josh and Kevin sit down for a B.S. session/fireside chat. We discuss recent hunting adventures, including Kevin getting Ninja'd, and Josh's great night getting 4 with his Uncle who has never hunted before. We talk about a recent happening where a guy had his Savage 17wsm blow up on him at the range, we discuss what COULD have been some of the reasons, and discuss other firearms related failures that have happened over the years. We both share how happy we are that fall is starting, the cooler weather, leaves changing colors and the incoming fall hunting seasons. Josh lays down a challenge to Kevin to get a deer with his bow before taking one with the rifle As always, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. Predator Thermal Optics code "ptothermal" for 10% off all Predator Thermal Optics brand Scopes and Monoculars www.predatorhunteroutdoors.com code: tripod for 10% off tripods and mounts code: light for 20% off lighting products Predator Hunter Outdoors www.huntwise.com code: OVERDRIVE20 for 20% off an annual membership HuntWise Maniac Outdoors- Code OD15 for 15% off scent fuel products ORC Archery ATN Prym1

This week, Kevin and Josh welcome Kyle Dupuis to the show. Kyle, a fellow Michigan hunter, actually asked about doing a podcast with a 1st generation predator hunter, it sounded like a good conversation so we made it happen. Kyle talks to us about his upbringing in hunting and the outdoors, including telling us about his grandma who was the known deer hunter in the family. We talk a bit about predator hunting around the country, how Michigan differs from out west or down south, mainly population and terrain. We discuss who we learned from, the shows we watched, and articles we read to get the info that is now very prevalent. And talk about why you don't see many if any predator hunting shows filmed here. We touch on quite a few facets including how he got into predator hunting, his progression in the sport, knowledge, tactics and equipment. Starting with a .22wmr rifle, hunting during the daylight only, to today's set up of thermal optics and everything in between like lights and night vision. We discuss how family and friends react to finding out about predator hunting, each of us talk about that, and specifically some of the stuff we have heard, like "I can't believe there are that many around" to "what do you DO with them" We talk about the community, and how we have all made some really good friends in our quest for knowledge, entering competitions, and sharing stories with other like minded hunters. And we finish with a little technical talk about Kyle's' experiences with the new .22 ARC both factory and reloading Follow along with Kyle at the Death After Darc facebook page! As always, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. Predator Thermal Optics code "ptothermal" for 10% off all Predator Thermal Optics brand Scopes and Monoculars www.predatorhunteroutdoors.com code: tripod for 10% off tripods and mounts code: light for 20% off lighting products Predator Hunter Outdoors www.huntwise.com code: OVERDRIVE20 for 20% off an annual membership HuntWise Maniac Outdoors- Code OD15 for 15% off scent fuel products ORC Archery ATN Prym1

This week on the Overdrive Outdoors Podcast Kevin welcomes Lincoln Rohn to the show. Lincoln is another local west MI resident that has been very active in the outdoors. We talk about the business that Lincoln now runs, Packer Maxx, a cultipacker that is ideal for sportsmen and small farmers, he tells us about acquiring the business and the advantages of using a cultipacker for your food plots. We then discuss Lincolns upbringing in the outdoors. Then we get into his most recent hunt...Africa. Lincoln recently returned from an African plains game hunt, we ask him to break it down starting with the planning stages, finding a guide, physical prep, equipment prep, the importance of listening to your PH (professional hunter/Guide), what type of stuff was recommended and how it performed, the process of traveling out of the country, and the travel itself. Then we proceed to his experiences with the accommodations over there, the people he dealt with, the lodging and temperatures encountered (which really surprised me). We discuss the hunts themselves, the animals both hunted and seen, the dangers present, the beauty of the area, poaching and its effects on the hunting (unfortunately tragic in his experience). Lincoln talks about each species, shot placement, his choice of gun, ammo and optics and how they performed, and how his predator hunting back here helped him in Africa. We talk about the importance of these hunts to both the communities, the PH and the animals themselves, it is often misunderstood how much these hunts help all of them, by helping with anti-poaching efforts to ensuring the overall better health of a species and the land they need to thrive, to providing a form of income to the residents that are involved with the operation from cooks/chefs to guides, to the folks in the area. Lincoln does a really good job of relaying to us how special this hunt was, the impact it had on him, and how much he wants to go back again. If you have any interest in a similar trip, Lincoln provided some really good info and personal experiences from the hunters side on what you can expect from such a trip and how to properly prepare for it. Thank you Lincoln for sharing your experiences with us As always, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. Predator Thermal Optics code "ptothermal" for 10% off all Predator Thermal Optics brand Scopes and Monoculars www.predatorhunteroutdoors.com code: tripod for 10% off tripods and mounts code: light for 20% off lighting products Predator Hunter Outdoors www.huntwise.com code: OVERDRIVE20 for 20% off an annual membership HuntWise Maniac Outdoors- Code OD15 for 15% off scent fuel products ORC Archery ATN Prym1

This week Josh and Kevin welcome Nick Otto, AKA "Huntavore", to the show. Nick has a really good thing going with the Huntavore podcast (https://sportsmensempire.com/network/the-huntavore) and The sportsman's empire (https://sportsmensempire.com/network/the-huntavore). We start by talking a bit about guns...Kevin tells Josh about a few of the guns he has in the shop, a lot of them dating back to the civil war and spanish american war, and the unique characteristics of some of them, mechanically very unique, including one that was made in Big Rapids Michigan in the 1800's. We also talk a little bit about legacy...how Kevin is a strong believer that some of the work he does, and items he sells will be part of his legacy, and how much he enjoys seeing his customers having success with the products they have gotten from him. We then get into it with Nick. Nick tells us about his upbringing, getting into hunting, coming up with the Huntavore podcast and working with the Sportsmens Empire. Nick gives up some great info on wild game preparation, along with a very cool view on field to plate. We discuss everything from squirrels, wild pigs, bear, venison, wild turkey, rabbit and more, best ways to prepare them, including Sous Vide for often dry wild game meats. We discuss meat preparation of animals that can carry parasites, field care, and processing for the best cuts. Nick details for us how he processes deer starting with " in the field care" all the way to aging the meat for best results. We talk about the importance of getting the kids involved and HOW to get not only your kids, but other kids involved and make it fun and educational for them. If you are looking to expand you hunting culinary horizons this conversation is a great start to get the creative juices flowing. As always, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. Predator Thermal Optics code "ptothermal" for 10% off all Predator Thermal Optics brand Scopes and Monoculars www.predatorhunteroutdoors.com code: tripod for 10% off tripods and mounts code: light for 20% off lighting products Predator Hunter Outdoors www.huntwise.com code: OVERDRIVE20 for 20% off an annual membership HuntWise Maniac Outdoors- Code OD15 for 15% off scent fuel products ORC Archery ATN Prym1

This week's episode is all about successful hunting. Josh and Kevin are joined by a gentleman that has been on with us earlier this year talking about his struggles to get his 1st coyote, Josh Smith. Josh was able to get his first coyote under his belt over the weekend with Clinton Taylor. Josh tells us the whole story of his 1st successful coyote hunt, from beginning to end. With details on how it went down, what he wants to do with his 1st coyote, how the gear performed and more. We then also discuss both Josh Mapes and Kevin's successful hunts from this past weekend as well. Josh Mapes got 2 and Kevin ended the night with 5 friday. And then we talk about gear a bit, including the new Nightsnipe elite hunter pro tripods that Josh and Kevin used for the 1st time this weekend. What we liked and an overview of the tripods themselves. As always, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. Predator Thermal Optics code "ptothermal" for 10% off all Predator Thermal Optics brand Scopes and Monoculars www.predatorhunteroutdoors.com code: tripod for 10% off tripods and mounts code: light for 20% off lighting products Predator Hunter Outdoors www.huntwise.com code: OVERDRIVE20 for 20% off an annual membership HuntWise Maniac Outdoors- Code OD15 for 15% off scent fuel products ORC Archery ATN Prym1 HuxWrx

This week Josh and Kevin welcome back Jordan Hoover and welcome Dan Featherstone to the podcast. If you've followed the podcast you've probably heard of Jordan, Dan is another U.P. resident that was also part of the recent Michigan Deer Management Initiative (DMI). Jordan and Dan recount more specific things that transpired during the DMI and the most recent meeting of the Natural Resources Commission. Jordan and Dan both discuss the issues, the info they learned, the people they learned it from and the importance of using that data to help manage our deer as a natural resource, to increase the number of healthy deer where needed and manage overpopulation in other areas as well as managing sex ratios. They then both discuss how, from what was seen, the information gathered from quality sources was disregarded by the NRC. They discuss their personal experiences (that are shared by a lot of other people that have been following this) on how the meeting was poorly run, the NRC didn't seem to have an acceptable level of knowledge about what the issues were and did not want to listen to the information that was presented. Some other things that happened during the meeting and before the meeting are also discussed, including personal interactions between NRC members, and special interest group representatives. We discuss how many deer groups in the state don't seem to be getting involved at the level we would like to see them, as well as individual hunters as a whole that aren't collectively making their voices heard. Folks, if we don't get involved NOW you may not like the future of hunting and fishing in this state. We need to work together to effect change. Get involved, get educated and be a voice that cannot be ignored. At the end of the podcast, Jordan outlines several things that YOU can do to join this effort, and the importance of doing so. Specific things that don't even take much time or effort, but can, if we come together, make a difference, but if we fail to do so, we will have a struggle to help the hunters in this state have a voice and improve the quality of our natural resource management based on science. As always, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. Predator Thermal Optics code "ptothermal" for 10% off all Predator Thermal Optics brand Scopes and Monoculars www.predatorhunteroutdoors.com code: tripod for 10% off tripods and mounts code: light for 20% off lighting products Predator Hunter Outdoors www.huntwise.com code: OVERDRIVE20 for 20% off an annual membership HuntWise Maniac Outdoors- Code OD15 for 15% off scent fuel products ORC Archery ATN Prym1 HuxWrx

This week on the OOD podcast, Josh and Kevin are joined by Angellia Perry, also known as "Airgun Angie". In this episode, Angie tells us about her growing up, not necessarily in a "hunting' family, but did not get into it until she met her husband. Angie then was approached by Rick Eutsler about making her outdoor activities into a job, doing product reviews. Since then Angie has delved heavily into not just hunting and shooting with PCP Air rifles (Precharged compressed pneumatic) but hunting and shooting in general. Angie tells us about hunting down in her now home state of South Carolina. Including the various animals she hunts from hogs and deer, to varmints and predators, with everything from Bows and Airguns to modern firearms. Angie also tells us about something Josh and I have not heard of before up here in Michigan, hunting deer with dogs. She then tells us about the booming armadillo population, the damage they do (and dangers they present (disease) and hunting them. We talk about hog hunting with dogs as well, and her experiences with it, and again, talk about the dangers of hunting hogs with dogs to both the hunters and the dogs. We then get into Air gun discussions, Angie relates her experiences with different calibers, power sources, pellet (bullet) choices, shot placement and different types of airguns (breakaction/spring/air/pneumatic) as well as her experiences with different brands, and practical hunting ranges with them. Angie also relates her experiences with optics, which ones are good for airguns and why, using ATN optics, how she likes to use the products and thermal vs nightvsision, and working the booth for them at SHOT Show. We finish with Angie telling us about options for people looking to get into big bore airguns, price points for them and prices for needed accessories. As always, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. Predator Thermal Optics code "ptothermal" for 10% off all Predator Thermal Optics brand Scopes and Monoculars www.predatorhunteroutdoors.com code: tripod for 10% off tripods and mounts code: light for 20% off lighting products Predator Hunter Outdoors www.huntwise.com code: OVERDRIVE20 for 20% off an annual membership HuntWise Maniac Outdoors- Code OD15 for 15% off scent fuel products ORC Archery ATN Prym1 HuxWrx

This week Josh and Kevin welcome Corey Corr to the show. Corey had responded to a post on MI coyote hunting outdoors page about being a guest, and suggested a topic of discussion. We start by talking a little bit about recent Woodchuck hunting, then get right into talking with Corey. Corey had a question about landowners NOT wanting coyote hunters due to increased deer populations, so we discussed the experiences we have had with that issue, which hasn't been a lot, but we have encountered it. We delve into why landowners would not want coyotes taken off their property and what we can do to help with other species, developing good relationships with landowners, and the importance of HELPING them with their issues, leading to continued hunting opportunities of not only predators but also other species, from varmints to deer or turkeys, which can lead to year round opportunities. We also get on the subject briefly on cooking upland birds and other wild game, turns out Corey has experience in the culinary world and we appreciate his take on that. Then we get a little off topic, but in a good way, as Corey talks to us about upland bird hunting and dogs for upland birds. We really appreciate hearing about that kind of stuff and Corey did a good job telling us about the ins and outs of bird dogs from his perspective. As always, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. Predator Thermal Optics code "ptothermal" for 10% off all Predator Thermal Optics brand Scopes and Monoculars www.predatorhunteroutdoors.com code: tripod for 10% off tripods and mounts code: light for 20% off lighting products Predator Hunter Outdoors www.huntwise.com code: OVERDRIVE20 for 20% off an annual membership HuntWise Maniac Outdoors- Code OD15 for 15% off scent fuel products ORC Archery ATN Prym1 HuxWrx

This week Josh and Kevin welcome Rashel Hubbard and Jordan Hoover to the show. Jordan is a returning guest while this is Rashels 1st time on our show. Both Rashel and Jordan were involved in the Michigan DMI. (Deer management initiative.) The objective of this initiative was advertised as putting together a group of folks from Michigan to gather data, then make recommendations to the Michigan NRC for the management of our deer herd in both the U.P and Lower parts of the state. But...as you will hear, it was a farce. The data collected and recommendations made by the folks of the DMI were, for the most part, ignored. Rashel and Jordan go into detail as to what the DMI was, what they did in terms of gathering data, organizing the data and brainstorming recommendations with each of their respective groups (Jordan was with the U.P group while Rashel was from the lower). Per Jordan and Rashel, the groups both came to consensus on their recommendations, in a fair and organized fashion, and while not everything was agreed upon in the groups they did agree on the final recommendations that they presented to the NRC just last week. And then came the slap in the face, the reaction by the NRC, from the attitude of members (some in particular) and the lack of organization by the NRC as well as a lack of being prepared for what the DMI presented (even why it was being presented). We discuss these events as witnessed by Rashel and Jordan as well as being able to see it ourselves in the live feed of the NRC meeting as streamed by MUCC (Michigan United Conservation Clubs). We then move on to discuss why this is ANOTHER example of why there is an increased distrust in the NRC due to them not following science in making decisions about our natural resources, and instead following their own agenda. The four of us also discuss WHY this is such a big issue as it relates to the future of our outdoors community, and maintaining our heritage as sportspersons, not just here but all over the U.S as we have heard from others (Coloradans for responsible wildlife management episode #154). NOW is the time to get involved, keep the pressure on and come together to protect what we all love so dearly, before we lose any more of it. Please take the time to listen and hear firsthand the type of tactics we are up against, then join us in this battle. As always, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. Predator Thermal Optics code "ptothermal" for 10% off all Predator Thermal Optics brand Scopes and Monoculars www.predatorhunteroutdoors.com code: tripod for 10% off tripods and mounts code: light for 20% off lighting products Predator Hunter Outdoors www.huntwise.com code: OVERDRIVE20 for 20% off an annual membership HuntWise Maniac Outdoors- Code OD15 for 15% off scent fuel products ORC Archery ATN Prym1 HuxWrx

This week Josh and Kevin are joined by Michael Beltzold We start by discussing some recent ground hog hunting adventures from Kevin, and Josh's recent experiences shooting a new 17wsm load. We then welcome Michael to the show. Michael is another fellow Michigan hunter, that has experience running dogs for bears, raccoons and more. We discuss dog breeds, choosing a dog for hunting, and what Michael uses. We discuss one of Michaels favorite things about using dogs to hunt, watching the dogs work (the hounding) Michael describes his enjoyment from watching when a dog "clicks" and gets into the hunt, whether its chase, tracking, treeing or baying, there is something special about seeing a dog in its element doing what they love. We talk a bit about using dogs to hunt cats, either bobcats or Mt Lions and the differences vs other animals they pursue, specifically about the scent pad, age of track, and how far a chase may be. We talk about the dangers of using dogs, specifically the dangers to the dog, and how important it can be to have the dog do what you want for the safety of the dog. Despite what some folks think, a hunting dog is a valued member of the hunters family and the dog has a job as well as the owners having a duty to protect and care for their dogs. Josh and Kevin learn from Michael about his experiences in running coyotes (as well as other animals) and how they run from the dogs, like going in a circle back to the same area (like rabbits do). Michael also talks to us about weather conditions that are good for raccoons and bad for coyotes and times of day he likes to hunt. We then delve into discussions about the importance of us sportsmen coming together no matter what your passion is, we need to respect each other's passion and come together to unite to preserve our way of life for future generations. As always, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. Predator Thermal Optics code "ptothermal" for 10% off all Predator Thermal Optics brand Scopes and Monoculars www.predatorhunteroutdoors.com code: tripod for 10% off tripods and mounts code: light for 20% off lighting products Predator Hunter Outdoors www.huntwise.com code: OVERDRIVE20 for 20% off an annual membership HuntWise Maniac Outdoors- Code OD15 for 15% off scent fuel products ORC Archery ATN Prym1 HuxWrx